Oversight needed for the GameSalad Arcade

tenrdrmer · June 2011

So I really thing GameSalad needs to look into some sort of oversight of the Arcade system.

I think its going to be worse than the app store real quick.

I just played several things at the top of the list and some don't function right one has blatant copyright issues.

The information submitted has not been filled out at all.

I think if GameSalad doesn't act fast they will see the arcade turn into something no one will ever go to when looking to play an online Game.

Heres some other examples of things that should not be listed there IMO. They add zero value to the arcade and really make it a less desirable place to go wen looking for some time to kill.

Sorry to anyone who's game I have listed. I am not singling you guys out these are just examples but The Arcade should be a place for completed games with original artwork. Not project demos, Project tests and marginally modified versions of the free templates provide with the GameSalad creator With or without GameSalads provided artwork.

Don't miss the boat with this one GameSalad. You've got a shot at being the YouTube for Games for sure but if the Games are all incomplete or copies of each other the ship will sail without you.

GamersRejoice · June 2011

I agree 100%. Leave the unfinished stuff out of the arcade. There may need to be an approval process or something.

RH · June 2011

Just adding my agree. I was thinking about this the other day. Just complete, original games. Then people other than GS members may start heading over here to play games. An approval process would be perfect.

Xpandemic · June 2011

Sorry for uploading an incomplete game, I just wanted to test out the new html5 option but later found out theres no way to delete it :P

tenrdrmer · June 2011

Well glad i'm not the only one who feels this way.

Weswog · June 2011

People will still upload even if it isn't finished

Cheers, Weswog

tenrdrmer · June 2011

Weswog said:
People will still upload even if it isn't finished

Cheers, Weswog

Hence the need for some sort of approval process. If they were willing to commit resources to the accelerator program they should be willing to commit some resources to have someone run through the uploads each day. Say to check for functionality, and Blatant Copyright stuff. Then leave the rest up to the community to report. Of of the apps I listed has the actual Angry birds pis and birds and even has angry birds in the name of the app. If GameSalads not careful about stuff like that they may be opening them selves up to lawsuit. I mean who knows these days with lawyers and such

Weswog · June 2011

Me and the other sous-chefs could probably do the approval process I wouldn't mind deleting garbage uploads

Cheers, Weswog

tenrdrmer · June 2011

Weswog said:
Me and the other sous-chefs could probably do the approval process I wouldn't mind deleting garbage uploads

Cheers, Weswog

It probably should be a GameSalad employee. Gonna get pretty hairy having non-employees deciding what can and cannot go on there.

Xpandemic · June 2011

Weswog said:
Me and the other sous-chefs could probably do the approval process I wouldn't mind deleting garbage uploads

Cheers, Weswog

and add an option to delete?

tenrdrmer · June 2011

Xpandemic said:
and add an option to delete?

It would be nice to be able to remove the game ourselves. Seems crazy that you can't

HoneyTribeStudios · June 2011

And a rating system would be good, same as any flash games site.

Then you can choose to list the games by rating, date added or number of plays.

Probably better for GS if they don't have to spend time on approvals etc. So being community monitored might be better. i.e forum members can flag a game to be taken down and if it gets a certain number of flags it gets removed. Or GS get notified and they take it down.

jamesmunro2 · June 2011

Hmmm. If there is going to be an "Arcade" along the lines of "newgrounds" then it really needs to be a different site and under a different name, team, and independent financial model.

1) The GameSalad team does not need another responsibility.

2) If it is not there for us users to use for our benefit as we see the need (ie testing, sharing templates, adding special things to our own websites, being able to offer our apps, whatever state they are in, to third-party websites, using it to show a completed app for hire (in order to get paid), etc.) then the whole HTML5 benefit is really a sham to benefit GameSalad's arcade, not the users.

3) Not all HTML5 code needs to be a game.I was talking with someone today. They want a special "app" on their website. I could knock it off with GameSalad in no time, but does it fit in the "arcade" model? Nope. But that's the only way to get it on their website. Do I need to look elsewhere? Flash perhaps?

tshirtbooth - Good idea. A test area, but also a "stick it here so you can use it where you need an HTML5 app" area so it is usable by the programers without regard ability, purpose, or function. That is what a feature should be.

tenrdrmer · June 2011

jamesmunro2 said:
Hmmm. If there is going to be an "Arcade" along the lines of "newgrounds" then it really needs to be a different site and under a different name, team, and independent financial model.

1) The GameSalad team does not need another responsibility.

2) If it is not there for us users to use for our benefit as we see the need (ie testing, sharing templates, adding special things to our own websites, being able to offer our apps, whatever state they are in, to third-party websites, using it to show a completed app for hire (in order to get paid), etc.) then the whole HTML5 benefit is really a sham to benefit GameSalad's arcade, not the users.

3) Not all HTML5 code needs to be a game.I was talking with someone today. They want a special "app" on their website. I could knock it off with GameSalad in no time, but does it fit in the "arcade" model? Nope. But that's the only way to get it on their website. Do I need to look elsewhere? Flash perhaps?

tshirtbooth - Good idea. A test area, but also a "stick it here so you can use it where you need an HTML5 app" area so it is usable by the programers without regard ability, purpose, or function. That is what a feature should be.

I guess really we need a list In the Arcade option or Upload but only available through embed option. That would solve the issue of making something available for someones site or even making code available for anyone to use. That way it can be setup so its visible in your profile page and you can embed the code anywhere but where for anyone to see but doesn't show up in the actual arcade listings.

I think its a bit early to write off HTML5 as a sham to benefit GameSalad. Its a huge benefit to US as well. I mean look here. . Because of the HTML5 and GameSalad I have a lite version of my Game Playable as a Facebook app right here on my Companies Facebook Page.

HTML5 has some huge benefits for us as well as them. GameSalad just has some areas they need to improve on it. And history has shown normally they will somewhat take things in a direction we as a community want. They are just slow moving about some of it.

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jamesmunro2 · June 2011

I think its a bit early to write off HTML5 as a sham to benefit GameSalad. Its a huge benefit to US as well. I mean look here. . Because of the HTML5 and GameSalad I have a lite version of my Game Playable as a Facebook app right here on my Companies Facebook Page.

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I agree with you completely. I do not believe it is a "sham" for GameSalad benefit. It's great. But it needs to serve more than one purpose, and as you pointed out, the Arcade does not serve all the purposes it needs to. (If indeed the Arcade is intended to be come a monetized showcase)

Sparkyidr · June 2011

The way youtube does it would be ideal

When you upload an html5 app you could get 3 options a-la-youtube

1. Public - it's in the arcade and everyone can see it and it's listed
2. Private - it's uploaded and can be viewed by anyone I give the link to, but it is not listed publicly in the arcade list
3. unlisted - only I can view it when I am logged on

There could still be some form of quality control for option 1 to keep it inline with how sites like newgrounds operate......but if it is really going to be the youtube of games, then maybe there will be NO quality control, in the hopes that, as with youtube, the popular stuff rises to the top, and the chuff disappears.
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tenrdrmer · June 2011

@ Sparky
That would be great. One thing though you have a little off on your description though. Unlisted is only those with a link and private is on you and specific users you add to the list. But yeah the youtube Method of options would be great.

Oh and then anything set to downloadable would show up in the Creator new listing that way we could still search them there.

Great idea.

macewan · July 2011

It seems to me that when you upload to Gamesalad to receive the App package you will need to zip for iTunes... gasp and if Gamesalad crashes you are left with an incomplete game in the arcade. Or am I missing something.

I'd love to be able to remove those half games.

SlickZero · July 2011

Yeah, It's cluttered up with a bunch of crap, and it gets worse every day. It's no different than browsing through the Creator at incomplete, non-working tests. And people keep on using the arcade as their personal testing ground. I stopped going there myself, hopefully some sort of control will be implemented soon, because you can't count on most people to police themselves, apparently.

tenrdrmer · July 2011

Yeah I Wish they would make an unlisted and private option. That way people have the option to keep their tests hidden and then sous-chef could still police and make useless stuff at the very least unlisted.

devjohnson · July 2011

I mentioned this in another thread a while ago, but the arcade needs to have a public area and a private area. People should be allowed to test their games in the private, GS members only area, and only games approved by Sous Chef's or other sort of moderators would make it to the public arcade.

Would be a lot more work for some people, but would get rid of a lot of complaints IMO.

scitunes · July 2011

I would really like to see a yellow post on this.

tenrdrmer · July 2011

I talked to yodapollo on this a while back and basically they are looking into other options but do not what to restrict anyone cause what you think is a complete game may be half-assed to me. So they don't want to have anyone moderating since it would be a massively huge job and they don't want to say you cannot publish something. I think they need to rethink some of that. I have a feeling they can get themselves into to trouble if they allow crap like that game with the Angry birds art in it.

Oversight needed for the GameSalad Arcade

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