Kiip Questions & Answers
We've gotten some great questions about the GameSalad/Kiip partnership, and wanted to communicate some additional information to you. Hopefully these points will provide more information prior to launch.
Will Kiip be a Pro-only feature?
Yes. We think Kiip will be an excellent revenue model to allow our Professional developers to enter the Free-to-Play market.
Will Kiip work on my Android games?
We are working diligently to bring the android version of Kiip to Professional developers simultaneously with the iOS version. However, there is a possibility that Kiip will debut on iOS first, with Android following shortly thereafter.
What about Kiip approval/throttling?
Upon launch, your application will be enabled for live rewards. Developers who are not compliant with Kiip's terms of service may have rewards disabled in their application at any time. If Kiip is disabled in your application, it will not affect your users' experience or cause the app to stop working.
Examples of non-compliance:
When creating an achievement, you are asked to supply a value for that achievement. This value lets us determine how valuable an achievement is. The higher the value, the harder the achievement should be to reach. You have a maximum of 1000 points to allocate. This can be done in the achievements tab of the dashboard.
Does my game have to be free of charge to use Kiip?
No. It does not matter if your game is free or paid to give rewards to your players through Kiip.
How do I get paid?
Kiip will track reward triggers and pay out to GameSalad with a full report. GameSalad will pay developers directly. Revenue is recorded when a reward is claimed.
We will be posting a set of Best Practices for Kiip (composed collaboratively between the GameSalad and Kiip teams) as we get closer to launching the new feature. Also, if you have questions, please post them on our forums; we'll do our best to answer them.
Will Kiip be a Pro-only feature?
Yes. We think Kiip will be an excellent revenue model to allow our Professional developers to enter the Free-to-Play market.
Will Kiip work on my Android games?
We are working diligently to bring the android version of Kiip to Professional developers simultaneously with the iOS version. However, there is a possibility that Kiip will debut on iOS first, with Android following shortly thereafter.
What about Kiip approval/throttling?
Upon launch, your application will be enabled for live rewards. Developers who are not compliant with Kiip's terms of service may have rewards disabled in their application at any time. If Kiip is disabled in your application, it will not affect your users' experience or cause the app to stop working.
Examples of non-compliance:
- An application with a button to unlock an achievement.
- Unlock achievements on launch, or upon a trivial (i.e jumping) action by the user.
- Unlocking many achievements simultaneously.
When creating an achievement, you are asked to supply a value for that achievement. This value lets us determine how valuable an achievement is. The higher the value, the harder the achievement should be to reach. You have a maximum of 1000 points to allocate. This can be done in the achievements tab of the dashboard.
Does my game have to be free of charge to use Kiip?
No. It does not matter if your game is free or paid to give rewards to your players through Kiip.
How do I get paid?
Kiip will track reward triggers and pay out to GameSalad with a full report. GameSalad will pay developers directly. Revenue is recorded when a reward is claimed.
We will be posting a set of Best Practices for Kiip (composed collaboratively between the GameSalad and Kiip teams) as we get closer to launching the new feature. Also, if you have questions, please post them on our forums; we'll do our best to answer them.
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Comments
- Alex
I agree with all above. Answers?
-Thomas
TSB said:
"does this mean we don't get the money tell the person goes to the store and uses the coupon?"
End quote.
That's a very good question..
Roy.
"Revenue is recorded when a reward is claimed."
Even I can confirm that user need to go to the store and claim the prize in order for us to earn anything. Our cut changes from $0.5 to $3 according to Kiip official website.
Will customers in non-US countries still be hit with Kiip banners... but not be able to claim the prizes? Or will the prizes be available worldwide?
Will non-US devs be able to use Kiip the same as US based devs?
Is every game that gets submitted with Kiip eligable... or are games "approved" for the program on an individual basis?
I also seem to remember GS talk about they had negotiated a special rate so I do think they are going to take a cut. But they talked like because of the rate they had negotiated we would still do very well.
@chunckypixels MChiew said above all game with kiip enabled will launch with kiip but they will check them out and violations found like trivial achievements or basically ways of cheating the system will mean kiip gets disabled to your apps.
I would also like to know about the international users if I use kiip for a full features free game will it give the user my full version without kiip? Meaning international users can just always download my kiip full version and get around buying the game all together?
This is sounding like GS Direct "Kiip will track reward triggers and pay out to GameSalad with a full report. GameSalad will pay developers directly".
Can you post a link to that, I can't find information that information on the Kiip site?
Popchips is strategically using kiip to expand the pop chips demand. Kodak is just desperate and offer buy 10 photo get 10 free in the store and photos are commodities and not brands. 1800 flowers is between $10 to $50 off purchase. Carl jr is free soft drink. Home run is local deals but they hack user emails to send unwanted invitations so $3 for a user is really getting maybe 20-30. Vitamin water is free but I wouldn't buy it as it's just sugar water with a penny of vitamins. Other one is vitamin retailer and vitamins have very high profit margins and is all about branding. From a brand perspective this is a very expensive form of marketing and Brian sells it based on reaching customers when they are "happy" and associating the brand with the feeling. Think of approaching a girl and telling her to describe her ideal guy and when she is imagining him, she associates that feeling with you. I have considered marketing on it on a small scale but this wasn't a viable option in my industry to give away millions of free stuff. The exception is best buy who is giving away gift certificate for in store purchase but most people use it to buy amazon gift cards and if someone figured out a way to get hundreds of these on a mobile device like in September and publicly posted the method, then best buy would have lost millions as it would have spread virally across deal and cheap skate forums. Hacked smart phones were banned after this.
If one gets the buy 1 get 1 offers then click through will be very low while make up mascara and free gift certificates to places one normally shops will be high such as best buy although I suspect that they only occasionally run a campaign around holidays as there is a limit to giving away free money.
Most of the brands that sign up are usually in the soft drink and junk food category such as chips or sugar water with very high profit margins that have created a brand. Unfortunately no free trips as it's a commodity. The highest prize is a Sony electronic item worth $100 and from leader board contests such as headphones but these are reserved for their top developer clients like mega jump who used to make up the majority of all their traffic and about half now.
@Pjhcy answered your question I guess.
I do not need a middle man I can get the reports the same and have the pay to my accounts, no need to have GS in the middle
Lets focus on fixing GS not adding crap that is making it worse.
What percent does GameSalad Take?
Kiip takes 50/50 with most developers, will we receive the full 50%?
-Thomas
- Alex
If GS takes nothing then we will make 50 cents on every dollar.