'New' Game - 'Fall in the deep'

SpriteAttack · April 2012

Ok... Let me start by saying it's not my game... well... that's not quite true... In a way it is... Timon / Thomas Weidmann has released it...
but didn't even care enough to change the art or the title screen (which is still saying 'Fall Fu' as does the icon).

I know we had this discussion before and yes... Darren and myself are to blame for all these template releases by not watermarking the art and hence giving GameSalad a bad name... blah...blah... but we sell templates to show how good GameSalad games can be done. We do not encourage 12 year old developers (why the heck is that a badge you would want to wear proudly anyway) to simply put them out there and then claim they did the hard yards.

I will continue making templates and they will look like proper games because to me that is the one way we help create a community of good Gamesalad game developers and designers... and I might be asking too much when I plead for a little more honesty, creativity and work from those who publish them on the appstore. Making a quick buck off a template is no big thing - a lot of guys have tried it and some might even have made a decent dollar - but it does not make you a game developer and it does not make you a good gamedesigner. You are just a cheap copycat.

SAZ_1 · April 2012

seriously man, everyone loves your work, you know it, i know it, we all know it... you have got to start watermarking your art work... wasn't the purpose of the templates to help with the programming side of stuff?! if it was for art you should release it separately as jpgs or something...

everyone copies ideas/ gets inspired by other games.. thats a given, but we all should try and make those ideas original or work on them to improve them.. personally i feel you're opening the door for these people to make the quick buck... not having or go or anything, i just feel your worth alot more than someone ripping off your games and giving no credit etc.

EatingMyHat · April 2012

Why stop there... here are all the Fall Fu variations that I found in 2 minutes.

This one at least changed the main character and opening screen, so I don't wanted to put him on the same spot as the guys above.

SpriteAttack · April 2012

@EatingMyHat - nice one... but the ninja and the background is just another piece of my art from a dba template

and the fall fu blue2 nearly made me fall off my chair laughing...

I guess 'Fall In The Deep' just pissed me off just that tad more because he claimed to have done such a great job on the gameplay and the art ("Ich finde die Grafik und das Gameplay genial. Der Entwickler hat sich wirklich sehr viel Mühe gegeben, dass das Spiel sehr hochwertig aussieht." - pardon my German, this is a comment he wrote on a German website to a post about his own game saying something like 'I think the art and the gameplay are pure genius. The developer has put a lot of effort into the high polish of this game.') Sorry... I know there are a lot of copies out there and we since have watermarked the art but then have the odacity to claim it as there own is pushing it a little too much.

People steal my art work all the time - in 90% of the cases I don't even care anymore... but every now and then they just get under my skin... even after more than two decades in the job...

I know that it's not stealing (before some smarty pants comments on it) when they use the templates... but boasting about it and claiming it as their creation is wrong! Anyway... I just felt like letting off steam...

Maybe this will ensure me the title of 'artist with most games on the app store'...

xforce · April 2012

i think one of the problems is Apple themselves. they need a better reviewing system. they seem to have a habit of rejecting decent apps for very minor problems, but let blatant copies like this in no problem

EatingMyHat · April 2012

@xforce the only problem with Apple is that there is no hot-line to complain about things like that, but I will never expect them to catch it.

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TeslaX · April 2012

Moved to proper Thread

WTDeveloper · April 2012

@SpriteAttack
I can feel your pain about 'Fall in the deep'
I saw His Game and His Screenshots on His Blog...
I saw directly this is the Fall Fu Template, but then I saw His Icon and His Screenshot i was Pissed of, too.
I Know He can use the Art of the Template, but then i saw that He wrotes the Game was a Lot of work and it tooks a lot of Time for developement...
And i think it's hard for us, when we See These words, because He don't Know if it's hard to develop such a Great Game or to make These Great and amazing Graphics,that you make Chris!!!
I Hope you don't get pissed of too much and continue your Great work!!!

WTDeveloper

mynameisace · April 2012

Fall Fu Blue is amazing! lol

Ace

JustMe74 · April 2012

Send a complaint to appstorenotices@apple.com ....

Braydon_SFX · April 2012

Maybe this will ensure me the title of 'artist with most games on the app store'...

I second this.

It's a shame, really. Watermarks might prevent this, (although I've seen copies with watermark art) but like you said, they boast about the art like they did it themselves. That is wrong.

EatingMyHat · April 2012

I think that the templates should be sold without Art and that there will be an Art Pack that you can buy for it (and can use if you like).

So...
1. You see a video of the template with the Art to showcase the template.
2. You can buy the template but it comes with no or with dummy art
3. You can buy an Art Pack for the template (and there can be more than one...)
4. Maybe there should be a music/sound pack as well

This way you get rights to the template and to the art.

Just my 2c...

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JamieOneil · April 2012

Do you know what i think, if i bought a template and just released it claiming it as my own, suppose it got as big as angry birds, what will happen then?

LeonardDeveloper · April 2012

Lol, When I saw a thread titled "new game" and sprite attacks name under it I was expecting greatness!, TBH I would say do what you did with angry birds.. Lets say £20 for template and £40 for temp with art!, That would stop it to a point..
Man I am so pissed off about this.. They-re's about TWENTY templates just published off fall fu..

Benjamin_m5 · April 2012

Why stop there... here are all the Fall Fu variations that I found in 2 minutes.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fall-fu-se/id517848933?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fall-fu-panda/id455683221?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/falling-panda/id456122074?mt=8
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fallfublue2/id508754250?mt=8

This one at least changed the main character and opening screen, so I don't wanted to put him on the same spot as the guys above.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ninja-fu/id458892978?mt=8

Look at all those links...these are all only "copy-developers" go and see in every link "other games from..." you find other dba templates with only very little changes:

I'm very tired every time i see something like thsi...i've found a few months ago a dba template on the amazon store too...i hate those people who make this...very sad!!!!

I would make in the futere as @EatingMyHat said:

- template without art 40$ or whatever
- art pack for 100$ or someting

Cheers
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Benjamin

LeonardDeveloper · April 2012

Holy crap... This guy is using art from @utopiangames 's "Running wild" so obviously this isn't the template he bought...

Oh my god.... Just form one template, Nearly 7 different people have published as is;

(since we're on the subject of DBA temp's being ripped off check out these;

Rip off of agro birds with art;

Nearly 7 fall fu's..

mynameisace · April 2012

Running Wild is for sale in the Marketplace.

Ace

beefy_clyro · April 2012

Yeh you may want to alert @UtopianGames about the Running Wild issue!

Same reviewer giving a 5 stars on his games too.

@Sprite, fall fu blue changed the colour of the panda specially for a screenshot, could he claim the hard work?

I would of thought he would of kept it in uniform though and had the blue panda in the game too

LeonardDeveloper · April 2012

@mynameisace
Yeah, Its also for sale on deepblueapps.com but not with the art...

tatiang · April 2012

@EatingMyHat I think you have a good idea about selling the art separately from the game file. It is a bit more work for the seller, and it's a bit more annoying for the (honest) customer, but it may help prevent this kind of thing from happening. There still is no way to prevent someone from buying one copy and re-selling it, but at least that's one sale...?

EatingMyHat · April 2012

@tatiang I don't think that it is a big deal to the seller of the template or the artist. It makes things clear and open new opportunities.
1. The artist can offer multiple art packs to the same game
2. There is no issue with publishing since you are buying the templates and the art (you can also choose an art pack if you want)
3. If you publish stuff as is with no enhancements, it is your problem for not having an original game and not an issue for the sellers.

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GraphicWarehouse · April 2012

@leonarddeveloper thats @ermetheappleguru who made chicken dash and he uses the excuse all the time i'm only 12

AppTek · April 2012

Chicken Dash and Fall Fu SE have been removed.

tatiang · April 2012

@emretheappleguru I appreciate that and I've answered your question in your trajectory thread.

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'New' Game - 'Fall in the deep'