When the Native Engine releases..... will the.....

CaptFinnCaptFinn Member Posts: 1,828
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When the Native Engine does come out..

Will the Pre-Native Engine Template be usable?

If so.. will there be limitations to the old templates.

What if someone is 95% away from being ready to publish a project. And the next day you release the Native Engine.

Will they:

1: Be forced to finish that project with the previous version before installing the new NCE?

2: Be able to install the new NCE and finish the project?

3: Be able to install the new NCE but due to changes, their project is now set back from 95% to lets say 10-50% ?

Comments

  • PixelMetalPixelMetal Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2013
    I'd say that's something to worry about if/when the new engine is ever released.
  • CaptFinnCaptFinn Member Posts: 1,828
    ok....

    I was not intending this thread to cause negativity. It just hit me while I was at one of our favorite template sites. I saw a template that gave me a great idea for a game. And I was like... ill get this when polygons collision is a feature. Then I remembered the polygon collision was going to be NCE dependent. And I was like "wait will this template even work with the NCE when it comes out?".

    So I thought that this was a very good concern. This information would be very important to know as soon as it was available. And I didnt know it it was or not. I wasnt tryin to get a inclination as to when the NCE was coming out. It will when it does. But I think its a very well justified concern about what will happen in the scenerio i came up with.
  • capitalcarnagecapitalcarnage Member Posts: 371
    @Pixelmetal

  • wpatenwpaten Member, PRO Posts: 281
    @SSS while I can't go too deep into specifics, I can say that older projects will most likely require significant tweaking to function properly in a native code environment. As such, it may not be a straight click-to-click transition.

    So when you say "older projects", you mean anything older than the Native Engine Release correct? 9.9.x to Current build?
  • MSEagle2MSEagle2 Member, PRO Posts: 98
    You know what makes our developers work harder and faster? Negativity. Pure, unadulterated negativity. Thankfully we have you on our side, @PixelMetal. With the amount of pessimistic negativity you put out we could power a THOUSAND native code engines. ;)

    @Finnbogg - while I can't go too deep into specifics, I can say that older projects will most likely require significant tweaking to function properly in a native code environment. As such, it may not be a straight click-to-click transition.

    When it is released, will there be an option to not use the native engine for projects that we don't want to revamp - such as for a minor update of a released app or finishing the last part of an app that was started before the native engine was released?
  • CaptFinnCaptFinn Member Posts: 1,828
    see this is bringing up even more questions Different people will see a different scenerio that migh affect them in the future. I think I brought a great point most people didnt even think about till now.
  • PixelMetalPixelMetal Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2013
    Just for you, @SaladStraightShooter, I've updated my comment to say "if/when" instead of just "if," because I am doing my best to remain excitement-agnostic about GS and I feel that's only fair. Not trying to stir up trouble, but also holding off from having any faith. Based on the relevant product development history, I don't believe that's an especially controversial stance. I'd assumed my/every else's money would be a driving factor in making a product better, but call me crazy I guess!

    I am excited/interested/looking forward to/dreading to see if/when the promised/suggested/potential/quite possibly/maybe January update occurs/transpires/happens, and if/when it has useful/amazing/platform-specific/bug fixes/feature updates/relevant/revelatory patches/updates/poodles.

    Also: optimism is for the young who don't know any better, and too many years working in advertising have sapped me of the ability to get excited about an announcement until what's been announced is in my hands and I can try it. Less grey hairs that way.

    Also also: Realism is oft-mistaken for pessimism, but it's not the same thing. Let's call it Warily Hopeful, because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised while expecting nothing/the worst than the reverse.

    To get back on track: Good question, @FinnBogg! Let's hope/expect that as/if the native code engine starts to roll out more specific information is made available about the differences between the two versions and what will change/need to be changed on the development side.
  • DanDaMan123DanDaMan123 Member Posts: 216
    @SaladStraightShooter
    When Too Fat To Fly was moved to the native engine did it have to be modified?
  • CaptFinnCaptFinn Member Posts: 1,828
    He said he wasnt going to go into deep details. To many details will just add more questions. Im sure they will let us know in time so we dont have to do twice the work.
  • FallacyStudiosFallacyStudios Member Posts: 970
    @SaladStraightShooter

    Have the Sous Chefs or others been given the ability to test it yet atleast?
  • creativeappscreativeapps Member Posts: 1,770
    One more thread near to close situation.As usual. People are creating thread and asking for native code and GS replied back and few comments its create issues and they closed the thread. Dont know when users are getting satisfied answers of releasing date so at lest they dont create this type of thread again and agains.
  • PixelMetalPixelMetal Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2013
    One more thread near to close situation.As usual. People are creating thread and asking for native code and GS replied back and few comments its create issues and they closed the thread. Dont know when users are getting satisfied answers of releasing date so at lest they dont create this type of thread again and agains.
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  • CaptFinnCaptFinn Member Posts: 1,828
    I wasn't trying to get the subject on native code. I had a legit question about pre-NCE templates/projects vs what the NCE will require and not accept. Didn't want someone who was inches away from finishing a project going of and downloading the NCE to find out they can't go back and their project just got sent back to the drawing board. I brought up a legit question and concern. I wasn't asking anything about time frames
    And release dates. It was more a " how can we be best prepared" type question.
  • MSEagle2MSEagle2 Member, PRO Posts: 98
    edited January 2013
    the OP asked a very legitimate question that I wish would be answered - or at least the one i asked about whether we can choose to generate the app using the current engine or the native once its released. If we could choose which engine to generate for then you wouldn't have to redo an entire project to release a simple bug fix. If we could get an answer on that at least it would put me at ease and allow me to be able to make projects without worrying about all my work becoming obsolete when native is released.
  • EbreezeEbreeze Member, PRO Posts: 481
    edited January 2013
    You know what makes our developers work harder and faster? Negativity. Pure, unadulterated negativity. Thankfully we have you on our side, @PixelMetal. With the amount of pessimistic negativity you put out we could power a THOUSAND native code engines. ;)

    @Finnbogg - while I can't go too deep into specifics, I can say that older projects will most likely require significant tweaking to function properly in a native code environment. As such, it may not be a straight click-to-click transition.


    Ahh nice! Way to show your dukes SSS !
    :ar!
  • creativeappscreativeapps Member Posts: 1,770

    It's the ciiiiiiircle of liiiiiiife...

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    We all know GS is trying their best. We appreciate for their hard work and effort behind the native code. So far what we have seen in native code videos and ice cap game call jay & silent bob are really awesome. We just want to know the time line for releasing native code. Because its not only me but many users projects are stuck and they are waiting for gs lua free engine. Some users have planning for next 6 months and everything is going to spoiled because of that.

    I want to say that dont do hurry in releasing lua free engine. We just want to know timeline. We do not want it quickly otherwise I know its something happend like this

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  • CaptFinnCaptFinn Member Posts: 1,828
    This thread was intended for something more important than when. I was trying to bring it to people's attention to start thinking of this now and not make a big mistake and install the NCE to fast and cause themselves a lot of extra work. A lot of decisions are based on release dates and in this case feature changes and version changes. These things effect when we do things like. Starting a project, postponing a project or hurry this project up before new installation.

    If you people are just going to use this thread to hound the dev department on release date info .... And not help people see a possible issue like I have. Then I'm asking someone to just close and delete this thread. When When When. Was not its purpose.
  • ericzingelerericzingeler Member Posts: 334
    while I can't go too deep into specifics, I can say that older projects will most likely require significant tweaking to function properly in a native code environment. As such, it may not be a straight click-to-click transition.

    Sounds like a project re-build is going to be the best option for GS Devs. To be expected considering lua is a scripting language and Objective-C is object oriented. Let's not get too greedy here people... sometimes you gotta wash away the old to make way for the new.

  • RThurmanRThurman Member, Sous Chef, PRO Posts: 2,881
    Closed per request. If you want to reopen it @FINNBOGG -- please PM me.
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