Playhaven - Do you still get paid if you no longer have a pro license?

Hymloe

@BlackCloakGS

My Pro license is running out in November.

I will have three games out by then. Then I'm considering not renewing my pro license.

What will happen to my games?

Will I still get paid for iAds?

Will I still get paid for Playhaven "More Games" and "Interstitials"?

Thanks.

allornothing

From Apple Dev Center:

What happens to my apps on the App Store if I do not renew my membership?

If your membership expires, your apps will no longer be available for purchase and will not appear in search results on the App Store. However, if you renew your membership after it has expired, your apps will be available for purchase on the App Store within 24 hours. You do not need to resubmit your apps.

Apps will still function for those that have it, but i'm not sure about iAds...

Hymloe

I will continue to be an Apple Developer. I know about those things you've listed.

I'm looking for answers to my questions above, about what happens to your revenue streams when you are no longer a Game Salad Pro Member.

Peter_Olafson

Gamesalad keeps the playhaven money. You keep your iAd as it's through Apple. And with my pro expiring in September I'm wondering, since payments occur approximately 3ish months after the ad revenue occurs do we get payments for three more months or are we cut off the day we expire.

Hymloe

I'd like to know this too.

And I'd like to know why we can't get our Playhaven money that we've earned, even after our Pro membership expires.

Just makes me want to not put it in.

I mean, it's my game right, whether or not I have a Game Salad Pro license.

Could we just create our Playhaven agreements outside of the Game Salad system, please? Or transfer it outside if we leave Game Salad Pro?

I don't see why I should need to keep paying for a Pro License if I'm not even creating games anymore, just to upkeep my Playhaven contract.

???

And yes, it'd be good to know the exact details about when and how payments are given to the developer from Playhaven revenues over time.

Who can give us solid facts on this, @BlackCloakGS?

The_Gamesalad_Guru

@SSS said that when the signed with playhaven that playhaven didn't want to manage all the .gs users so GS had to do it. This is not a GS thing it was at Playhavens request.

Hymloe

Is there someone at Game Salad who can give me specifics of exactly how this works, with regards to what money goes where, and for how long they will forward the appropriate money to the developer, and when that forwarding date cuts off, or however it works?

@SaladStraightShooter

Hymloe

I need an answer on this, so I can decide whether to implement the feature or not.

Hope to hear some facts and figures soon.

Hymloe

Or has this topic already been covered accurately and in detail somewhere?

Hymloe

If I go to the "Services" tab in Game Salad Creator, the text under Step 5 says, "If a player of your game follows a link you provide to the App Store, you get paid a revenue share of the advertising revenue paid to Game Salad."

I guess that basically sums up what has been stated. Game Salad get the money from Playhaven, and then pass on the developer's share to the developer.

Do Game Salad continue to pay that revenue share to the Game Salad user for as long as the app is active on the App Store, even if the user is no longer a Pro Member?

That is what I would expect. Please clarify. Thanks.

jonmulcahy

You only get paid from gs as long as you have a pro subscription as far as I know.

I'd expect they would pay you for periods that you were subscribed for

Hymloe

@SaladStraightShooter

Hi there, could I please get a definitive answer to exactly how the payments system works with regards to Playhaven and being a Pro (or lapsed Pro) Member?

The_Gamesalad_Guru

You get paid for revenue generatated up until the date your Pro expired.

tenrdrmer

If you are not renewing pro you probably should not bother messing with pro features.

Just my 2cents

Hymloe

Cheers guys.

Peter_Olafson

Really, tenrdrmer? Despite the fact we can add our apps to android during our pro membership which don't expire when the pro membership does. And despite the fact iAds will continue to generate revenue for us after the pro membership expires. And despite the fact our games uploaded during pro membership will always have access to the gamecenter. And despite the fact that games submitted during our pro membership can have In App purchase items that will generate revenue after the pro membership exires. But it's better if someone isn't going to renew just not to bother going pro in the first place?

tenrdrmer

Really, tenrdrmer? Despite the fact we can add our apps to android during our pro membership which don't expire when the pro membership does. And despite the fact iAds will continue to generate revenue for us after the pro membership expires. And despite the fact our games uploaded during pro membership will always have access to the gamecenter. And despite the fact that games submitted during our pro membership can have In App purchase items that will generate revenue after the pro membership exires. But it's better if someone isn't going to renew just not to bother going pro in the first place?

Nope your right Carry on...

Team6Labs

@Peter_Olafson You still have to pay to have your apps on the store every year, even though you paid once the first time. It's the same system with GameSalad. The question
- Why are we no longer paid after our pro license expires?
is very similar to
- Why can our apps not stay on the App Store after our developer license expires?

Get my point?

The_Gamesalad_Guru

As they say "in for a dime in for a dollar."

The Guru

Peter_Olafson

Team I think you fail to see our point. Or are twisting the words into a new argument in an attempt to win it.

We're talking about not renewing gamesalad pro license. We are not talking about not renewing our apple license.

And no one was asking if we continue to earn playhaven money after our gamesalad license expires(edit: maybe hymloe was hinting at that?) . We were asking if we get paid our money earned before our license expired. As you are aware I'm sure playhaven payments are three months behind their earnings.

You can earn money from every pro feature you've implemented with your pro license except for play haven after your gamesalad license expires.

And you get nothing if you don't renew your apple license. But that wasn't even part of the discussion.

The_Gamesalad_Guru

As I stated this was hashed out when GS implimented playhaven. You get paid for monies accumulated until your Pro license expires. When they pay the monies owed in't the factor. You will get paid in full for what was earned during the dates you were pro and those monies will be paid to you when playhaven pays GS. But as usual nobody pays attention as I posted the answer.

Team6Labs

^ Yes

Hymloe

Yes @Peter_Olafson, I think you are getting where I'm coming from.

I wanted to know if we would keep getting paid our Playhaven revenue, even after the GS Pro license expires, because it would obvious be my preference to keep getting paid. I can dream, can't I?

GS seem to have set up a deal, whereby they make it easier for Playhaven (supposedly), by taking on the administration efforts of taking all the Playhaven revenue, and handing it out to us.

Playhaven have to report to us all individually anyway, but I guess they only have to deal with one actual contract.

So anyway, GS are, I suppose, taking charge of the Playhaven revenue, and only handing it on to us for the time that we had a Pro license, and keeping any extra revenue coming through for anyone who doesn't have a Pro license.

I just wanted to know how it worked, because I didn't know.

I mean, we pay for the GS Pro license, and we get to keep some of the things we make, and features we setup, forever. So I just wasn't sure how Playhaven worked.

Once we've released an app on App Store, with Tweet Sheets, and iAds, and Game Centre, those things all just last forever, and don't rely on a GS Pro license. I was hoping the same would be true of Playhaven, as in my opinion, it really should be.

I appreciate that GS have setup a deal with Playhaven, as I hear good things. Ideally, they would have set it up so that it was independent of the GS Pro license, and that we could leave GS at some point, and keep the full benefits of the things we've made with it, without being anchored to them.

But it's all good.

Peter_Olafson

Jesus Bacon. I wasn't arguing your point. I was reiterating ours since Team seemed to miss what the argument was. My comprehension is just fine Bacon and I understood exactly what you said and was not reasking the question but clarifying what the question was for Team.

Peter_Olafson

Hmmm, and I'm changing my game company name to Jesus Bacon.

Team6Labs

Ok let's clear this up.

YES, as FBS as said, you get paid 100% of the money that you earn during your pro license, regardless of the fact that they are 3 months behind.

NO, this stops when your pro license expires. WHY? Because GameSalad has cost, and they cannot support payments indefinitely.

The_Gamesalad_Guru

What can I say the bitching and whining gets old. Nobody wants to understand that Playhaven didn't want to take on the GS user base which is way more than post on the forum. In fact only 1% of users post. GS has tens of thousands of active users and playhaven didn't want a big influx to manage so they told GS if the want to integrate playhaven that had to dispense the money and so GS has to pay a person to check all the thousands of payments for accuracy and then distribute the monies. This cost GS money. Instead of taking a cut of your revenue to offset that cost they only ask you have an active pro account. GS is a business not a charity for burgeoning or wanna be developers. As you can already see most new features are going to be pro only going forward. I can see them overtime slowly depreciating the free version.

Bad wolf Guy

@FryingBaconStudios

I have been meaning to say this to you for a while but been holding off.
We all read the complaints and issues that GS has according to all the members.
We start to remember who is here professionally and who is here because they think they can hide behind a computer screen.
Let them complain, if you don't respond they will just walk away. If its well written concern then take time out of your day to write back. Otherwise there really isn't anything benifits in continuing to respond and it's keeping you from creating another great game.

GS is great and it deserves to have continue support, but when you think about it, it's a program that's free that is simple to use. It's never going to be enough. One day it's GS doesn't have joints, next it's a big things that GS doesn't pay after PRO, then the next day it's about people not responding with in a few minutes of asking a question.

My point is, I have noticed in evey complaint or issue your the first to step up and defend. We all know and it's great almost most of the time. But sometimes I wonder if the other small amount of responses are actually fuelling the fire then pointing it out. I just think with the amount of knowledge that you seem to know, put it to maximum use instead of wasting it on members who are here for a month then move on.

All the best

The_Gamesalad_Guru

@123app I agree with you completely and I have stoppped responding to many threads. I really do want to see others succeed but I guess I just need to step back.