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GSinvention copy cat template or not?

UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member
edited January 31 in Miscellaneous

Looks like GSinvention have been at it again but could you kind folk take a look at the videos and let me know your opinion please?

GSinvention template is here http://gshelper.com/product/zigzag-of-doom/

Our original triangle run is here http://gshelper.com/product/triangle-run/

The biggest give away was the camera, I spent a good amount of time on the squash rotate effect.

@uptimistik could you send us the file so Wayne can run it through his file id checker to check for id references etc?

I don't make templates or do game development anymore but I do keep an eye on things.

Thanks for your opinions in advance guys.

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  • imjustmikeimjustmike Posts: 401Member, BASIC

    Second link is not to a template.

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member

    @imjustmike said:
    Second link is not to a template.

    Sorry correct links fixed.

  • KnightStarKnightStar Posts: 160Member, PRO

    @UtopianGames I dunno.. Looks to me like the ZigZag template is pretty reductive of the Triangle Run template..

    That said, Triangle Run has some serious beats to it in it's video, so it's clearly the more hip version.. B)

  • ToqueToque Posts: 619Member, PRO

    They do like painfully familiar.

  • CodeMonsterCodeMonster ACT, AustraliaPosts: 1,077Member
    edited February 1

    Some wild accusations Darren @UtopianGames . You've always had it in with us from the start, which is understandable as we were a competing marketplace. Feel free to purchase the template so you can take a look at the file and run it through your "file id checker". @-Timo- will shed some light on this for you.

    GSinvention mainly provides free products and occasionally uploads a paid template every now and then. and no Darren, we don't buy your templates so we can upload them and re-sell them, we don't buy them at all. (though you we're very good at what you did, not going to deny that)

    I didn't make this template you are speaking of, but i'm 100% sure you weren't the first to make it. To be completely honest, I personally stopped making paid templates a while ago and stuck with just making free ones, and i'll continue to do so even with you constantly hammering away and trying to make us look like a "dishonest" group, because a community is about constantly giving back, not constantly throwing wild accusations around.

    But im pleased you take the time out of your day to check out our website and templates, much appreciated :).

    P.S this reply wasn't meant to mean, just wanted to share my point of view. as you are actually a legend around here Darren and your the one who got me started with Gamesalad in the first place. cheers.

  • Two.ETwo.E Posts: 208Member, BASIC
    edited February 1

    Again... Darren? Did you even contact the Vendors for a file or information?

  • -Timo--Timo- Posts: 2,197Member

    Really? It's kinda obvious that ours is much better because of the price difference of 5cents. (I hope you didn't make a similar joke before, did you? Don't want you to open a thread "gsinvention stealing jokes???") (calm down it's a joke again...)

    Let me start with saying that you were good at what you did and a bit sad to see that you stopped.
    I see you haven't changed and are still the smart guy you used to be. This is a really smart move on trying to making the rivals look bad. You have all the rights to doubt others for copying your templates but could at least have checked with us/me, the template creators.

    I can see some of the features of both templates are a bit similar but I have no reason to copy your code. I don't even have a reason to buy your templates. I know I can do everything by myself. Even if I wanted to recreate one of your templates, why would I spend any money on your templates if I can do it myself and keep the money...

    I did NOT copy any of your code. Someone blamed me before on a template a while back which I simply was able to proof by sending them the template, he apologies and it was all good again.
    I will send you the template soon so you can check for yourself and I will be waiting for your apologies.
    I hope it was worth the effort for you. Please next time just send us a private message first. We have always been open and honest about everything (even about mistakes) so no need to try to make us look bad in my opinion.

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member
    edited February 1

    If you could send me the file Wayne can check it out and of course I will apologize if it's clean.

    As for having it in for you I don't but I do think you sail close to the wind and have certainly cloned DBA's along with other people's free and paid for templates before.

    Maybe I should of contacted you 1st but wanted to see what other people thought and take it from there so sorry about that.

    I feel I must say this again I honestly don't have it in for you, I don't make templates anymore and stopped a long time ago DBA closed ages ago so I only sell on GSHelper which tbh is a farse it's just imho the template looked like a clone or copy so thought I had to speak up.

    No hard feelings on my part and good luck with your site, I actually think it's good to have another site that competes.

  • CodeMonsterCodeMonster ACT, AustraliaPosts: 1,077Member

    @UtopianGames File has been sent.

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member

    Cheers for the file, it has been checked and here's the results...

    I’ve had a look at the project file you sent over, and compared it to the Triangle Run template you made.
    The tool shows an overall 4-7% chance of being copied. With numbers that low it would be simple coincidence. With others we tested in the past they we’re at 96-99%.

    That said, the tool does highlight some similarities in positioning of rules, within actors, within scenes.
    Manually looking into the files my opinion is:

    a. You and GSInvention think/develop very similar.
    b. GSInvention used your template, but changed just about everything.
    c. He/she had your template open at the side and used it just as a reference.
    d. None of the above perhaps? There’s only a handful of ways the Triangle Run can be developed in GameSalad.

    The core mechanic appears different to yours too, to achieve a similar result, but some of the ’numbers’ behind the scene are very similar.

  • CodeMonsterCodeMonster ACT, AustraliaPosts: 1,077Member

    @UtopianGames I can guarantee you we didn't have access to your file or even look inside the code. Maybe you and @-Timo- have joint minds? but GSinvention takes copyrighting very seriously aswell, so its understandable as to why you wanted to get this checked in the first place. but a simple PM would definitely solve anything in the future if something was to happen like this again.

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member

    Yep in future i will certainly contact you 1st but i hope i don't have too :)

  • -Timo--Timo- Posts: 2,197Member

    Interesting to hear about a tool to check the similarities. I think it's some sort of combination of a and d. Like Aaron said, we can assure you we never had access to the template and code. I can understand your concerns though which you have all rights to. Hopefully everything is sorted now. If there is anything else you can always contact us directly.

    With this dropping rate of template downloads I don't think there is much left to worry about in the future...

    Best wishes,

  • Bowhill+GamesBowhill Games Posts: 168Member, PRO

    @UtopianGames "4-7% chance of being copied" couldn't that simply be down to an image / asset having the same name e.g. Player

    This is common across virtually every game I have made / template I have seen, what tool are you using? it would be interesting to see how it handles stuff like that.

    I assume every behaviour / assed in a GS project is given a GUID and that is what is checked?

  • Two.ETwo.E Posts: 208Member, BASIC

    Darren,
    I made a template, but I am 2% sure you copied it.
    Could you send me over the file and I will test it?
    In fact - Just send all your files.
    (Nice Job finding a loop hole on attaining Templates for free).

  • AdrenalineAdrenaline Posts: 433Member

    Shots fired

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member
    edited February 2

    @Two.E said:
    Darren,
    I made a template, but I am 2% sure you copied it.
    Could you send me over the file and I will test it?
    In fact - Just send all your files.
    (Nice Job finding a loop hole on attaining Templates for free).

    I didnt even download it, I sent Wayne the link so he could check it out.

    I've not used GS in nearly a year and have no interest in gaining other people's work, the templates looked very similar hence the thread.

  • Two.ETwo.E Posts: 208Member, BASIC
    edited February 2

    @UtopianGames Missed opportunity :)

  • AdrenalineAdrenaline Posts: 433Member
    edited February 2

    I think what we're seeing here is the result of some talented and passionate people trying to succeed in a dried up market where plagiarism is a real and regular concern.

    Obviously ^. But the point being, it's not easy even if you're a top talent in this field...

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member

    @socks I was on about gamesalad templates, you've obviously missed the point but nvm have your say :)

  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,669Member
    edited February 2

    Lol I don't clone other people's templates and as far as I'm aware the games we have were all made with other sdks and a template is simply a foundation of core mechanics not the whole game.

    You mention angry birds well it was the GameSalad team themselves that asked us to do that one for them so they could show GS was capable of doing similar at exhibitions they used to attend.

    Anyway I think this thread should come to an end so I can stop banging my head against the wall.

  • Two.ETwo.E Posts: 208Member, BASIC
    edited February 2

    ...

  • Braydon_SFXBraydon_SFX Dallas, TexasPosts: 8,745Member, Sous Chef, PRO, Bowlboy Sidekick
    edited February 3

    Alright, I think this thread has had its run. Glad the issue was resolved. Let's remember to keep it classy. :)

    Closed.

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