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How many of you would Love to see Apple buy GS?

TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
* Google has a game making platform for Android
* Microsoft has XNA for its platforms
* Apple needs Game Salad for its iOS and Mac platforms

It would be awesome.
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  • reddotincreddotinc Posts: 653Member
    Apple has Xcode, which can make games.

    But yeh, it would be cool :)
  • PhoticsPhotics Posts: 4,172Member
    It would help with book sales. HA HA! :)
  • jstrahanjstrahan Posts: 498Member
    Not sure if they buy it I'm sure they would add more features but hold out on some and probably would kill competition
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    reddotinc said:
    Apple has Xcode, which can make games.

    But yeh, it would be cool :)

    XCode is an IDE, not a game development package. Just like Microsoft has developer studio, which is not needed for XNA. I'm strictly talking about packages that allow people to easily make games :)
  • ORBZORBZ Posts: 1,303Member, PRO
    I suspect apple is working on something internally that's a million times better than GS.
  • BarkBarkCoBarkBarkCo Posts: 1,400Member
    Photics said:
    It would help with book sales. HA HA! :)

    Maybe your 2nd edition...I would hope that a partnership with Apple would bring more than just added buzz...
  • iDeveloperiDeveloper Posts: 441Member
    ORBZ said:
    I suspect apple is working on something internally that's a million times better than GS.

    I'm thinking that, that is what that "Project Marble" is we heard about a while back.
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    @Bark and iDev - Any links? Sounds interesting :)
  • BarkBarkCoBarkBarkCo Posts: 1,400Member
    Sorry, it's pure speculation from my end...

    iDev, anything?
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    Apple will be announcing something big tomorrow, I personally think it will be regarding iTV and streaming content. Well how about announcing that iTV will also run ALL iPad apps in HD on iTV?

    Now that would be nice for us! Then we would have five apple devices to develop for! Mac, iPad, iPhone, iPod and iTV.
  • BarkBarkCoBarkBarkCo Posts: 1,400Member
    iTV would need some type of touch/accelerometer input device for most of the apps to work...but that would be AWESOME!
  • chosenonestudioschosenonestudios Posts: 1,714Member
    TymeMaster said:
    Apple will be announcing something big tomorrow, I personally think it will be regarding iTV and streaming content. Well how about announcing that iTV will also run ALL iPad apps in HD on iTV?

    Now that would be nice for us! Then we would have five apple devices to develop for! Mac, iPad, iPhone, iPod and iTV.

    Gendai Games said:
    Unfortunately this feature wont be available for months. Fortunately were not so sorry.

    Please Gendai!
    Gendai Games said:
    We said NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

  • ORBZORBZ Posts: 1,303Member, PRO
    BarkBarkCo said:
    iTV would need some type of touch/accelerometer input device for most of the apps to work...but that would be AWESOME!

    Yes, that device is called an iPhone or iPad or iPod Touch.
  • JamesZeppelinJamesZeppelin Posts: 1,927Member
    Isnt itv just the new name for the TV link thingy

    @orbz... do you mean using the ipod as a controller for iTV

    that wold be sweet... kind of like wiimote
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    ORBZ said:
    Yes, that device is called an iPhone or iPad or iPod Touch.

    I wouldn't doubt it :)

    Honestly though they could just make a controller, lets say, like this http://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/ but with an accelerometer?
  • POLYGAMePOLYGAMe Posts: 3,470Member
    Apple are possibly announcing a new app making program TODAY (actually tomorrow, what with Aussie being 12 hours ahead etc) according to MacRumors. It will only allow for ad-hoc distribution, though.

    Of course, this is just speculation but rumours from that site are often correct.
  • PhoticsPhotics Posts: 4,172Member
    POLYGAMe said:
    Apple are possibly announcing a new app making program TODAY (actually tomorrow, what with Aussie being 12 hours ahead etc) according to MacRumors.

    I'm wondering why Gendai Games has been so quiet... and then I see rumors like this... perhaps something is going on behind the scenes.
  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    POLYGAMe said:
    Apple are possibly announcing a new app making program...

    They have a pretty good one already...its called XCode. There are rumors that XCode 4 is in development that are fairly credible. But a drag and drop is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

    I think you all are getting hyped up about nothing.

    Besides...
    If Apple wanted to release a platform like GS...they more than likely would develop it internally on their own...not buy something partially built. With their teams and budgets...they could eclipse GS's overall progress in a month or 2. To Apple...its small potatoes and very unlikely they would even bother.

    Besides...did you know that Apple only makes 1% of their overall annual income from the app store? And to spend all that energy and $$$ on creating a new platform so 500-1000 amateur developers can create amateur content? Also a strong basis that this won't happen...ever.

    In short...Apple has much bigger sights than GS.

    Google made a new platform because they NEED developers and content to push Android sales...since they are lacking in that department. Apple is already comfortable right now in the market position they are in...at the top.
  • POLYGAMePOLYGAMe Posts: 3,470Member
    Xcode is not a "simple application maker" which is what MacRumors are stating. It think it's incredibly likely that Apple will release such an app... like it says, not for App Store release, just for family and friends. Would fit in very well with the iLife range. Nothing to do with making cash from the App Store, just adding to the attraction of the iLife package.
  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    Maybe...but I think its wild speculation. But who knows.
  • POLYGAMePOLYGAMe Posts: 3,470Member
    From MacRumors

    "iLife Mystery App is a Make Your Own App Tool? Rumors of iLife '11 suggested a brand new app would be introduced with the iLife '11 suite. We've heard an unconfirmed whispers that the new app could actually be a way for end users to create simple apps and deploy them directly (not through the App Store) to their iOS devices. Is Apple returning to their Hypercard roots? It's hard to say how feasible this would be."

    GS has nothing to worry about. It will be super basic and you can't even deploy to the App Store (unless Apple added in some sort of screening process and people could submit for approval). And yeah, it is all speculation but we should find out tomorrow!
  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    I have a feeling it is an actual Apple published app that you use to create a mini app within an app.
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    POLYGAMe said:
    Xcode is not a "simple application maker" which is what MacRumors are stating. It think it's incredibly likely that Apple will release such an app... like it says, not for App Store release, just for family and friends. Would fit in very well with the iLife range. Nothing to do with making cash from the App Store, just adding to the attraction of the iLife package.

    Polygame is right, XCode is just a simple IDE GUI that sits on top of the GNU compiler.
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    @synthesis - Large companies buy technology all the time. Sure Apple can write their own Game Salad, hell I personally could do it myself! But Apple is so large, with all the red tape in the corporate world it would probably cost them a few million bucks to do it! They could purchase it from Gendai much cheaper.

    When I worked at Adobe, around 2000, our office spent some time writing the prototype for an HTML editor. It was a skunkworks project to try and drum up more work for our office for after ImageReady was released (IR was a separate product back then). Anyway, long story short, Adobe canned the project and ended up purchasing the code for "GoLive" at the time. Clearly Adobe can create HTML editors, but the fact remains that it was cheaper and faster to simply buy an existing product.

    Another example. When I worked at JASC on Paint Shop Pro 7 and 8, the owner wanted out of the business and he sold the company to Corel. Why did Corel buy Paint Shop Pro? They had Painter, why would they need PSP? Because PSP had a huge market for delivering Photoshop quality for a fraction of the price, and Painter was not a photo app. So it was cheaper for them to buy JASC (and they did, for a bit over 100 million dollars).

    So yes, it can happen!
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    synthesis said:
    I have a feeling it is an actual Apple published app that you use to create a mini app within an app.

    It could be...

    Look at the facts we do know:

    * Apple is trying to get into the games market
    * Apple works on a deal with steam
    * Apple knows the app store is HUGE business
    * Apple has 3 devices capable of games
    * Apple has no way to allow customers to easily make games

    Sure its all speculation, but why not :)
  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    My interpretation
    * Apple is trying to get into the games market
    Yes...they want to sell hardware...to compete with Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony

    * Apple works on a deal with steam
    To deliver their media content libraries to those living room devices

    * Apple knows the app store is HUGE business
    Small potatoes on their bottom line...its a break even for them. Its huge business for developers though. And the app store is what sells devices...and Apple knows that and wants to make the app store as profitable as possible for devs...so they want to make apps for their devices.

    * Apple has 3 devices capable of games
    Probably many more to come. Apple builds gadgets...that is their core business.

    * Apple has no way to allow customers to easily make games
    Apple's customers don't want to make games...they want to play them. Devs want to make games and there are 200-250K of them...compared to 50M customers.
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    You seriously think that their mobile business is small potatoes? That would hardly be the case considering that their Mac marketshare is what, 10% if that?

    Without software, you don't sell hardware, and that is a fact and what's kept me in business for 30 years :)

    Apple computers push the creativity envelope when doing their sales pitch. Make movies! Make Music! Why not Make Games? Microsoft thought it was good enough for XNA.
  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    No...you misunderstood...
    Their mobile device business is their core sales right now. It is the actual app store that is small potatoes (to Apple's bottom line). The app store makes up about 1% of their annual profits. Their device sales is a much larger share of that.

    Apple has said...the app store is on a break even business model...as they want the devs to make the bulk of the money from it....so they continue to desire to make apps for Apple devices.
  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    TymeMaster said:
    Apple computers push the creativity envelope when doing their sales pitch. Make movies! Make Music! Why not Make Games? Microsoft thought it was good enough for XNA.

    I'm not saying they won't offer it...but its highly unlikely. Not much desire. Consumers desire to make home movies and mix music...but create games? Not really...most people aren't that creative or have that desire and few are able to decipher the logic required. Most just want to play them.

    RE: Microsoft...
    MS is in the software business primarily. Apple's focus is mostly hardware. I don't expect to see Apple try to create a game-maker software anytime soon. If they did...I would suspect it would be a small experimental project. Odds are...they will focus the time and energy and assets towards XCode.

    But again...who knows.
  • TymeMasterTymeMaster Posts: 527Member
    Lets put it this way, without the app store apple would be making barely anything because I think people buy the iOS devices due to the app store and iTunes. If there was no software, there would be no hardware sales. So Apple needs the developers (like you said). Well, if you can shell out a couple million for something like GS, it will attract more developers which means more sales.

    Plus lets look at other options. Why not allow people to use your iWork tools to publish other content? Music? Books? Do the same thing 70/30 split and allow people to publish PDF books and music.

    You never know :)
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