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Apple Making Changes to the App Store

RondoRocketRondoRocket Posts: 411Member
edited June 2015 in Non-GS Game News

Only apps selected by Apple will now be seen on the App Store. No more new releases except for featured apps of the week. I believe this is specific to just the Games category to cut down on junk/clones.

techcrunch.com/2015/06/01/apple-revamps-the-app-stores-games-section-with-increased-focus-on-editorial-content/

Comments

  • iamcarteziamcartez Houston, TexasPosts: 648Member

    BEST NEWS OF THE DAY!

  • RabidParrotRabidParrot Formally RabidParrot. Posts: 956Member
    edited June 2015

    @ookami007 said:
    iamcartez I'm not sure how that is good news in any way. It's one (or more) less ways your app will ever appear on a list in iTunes.

    I see this as more jack-booted thuggery on Apple's part. There quests to have ABSOLUTE POWER over what you - a consumer - can see and do with the device you pay for.

    Those previous lists are gone and replaced with APPLE CURATED lists. So... YOU are to stupid to pick from a list. Now YOU may have a choice of what THEY show you.

    How is this good?

    Listed in the article. - "More importantly, the editorial sections mean those developers who build great games will be rewarded for doing so, instead of having to compete against an inscrutable algorithm."

  • ArmellineArmelline Posts: 4,752Member, PRO

    As a browser of the app store I find this very annoying. As a developer, I'm undecided still.

  • HopscotchHopscotch Posts: 2,782Member, PRO
    edited June 2015

    I agree @Armelline , I liked browsing through the new releases, seeing all the weird and wonderful stuff that gets produced.

    As a developer we are really only losing out on the short window of hapchance discoverability after release. Keywords, marketing efforts and review sites stay as important as ever.

    I don't see it as too serious, although it hurts only the serious indies with a limited marketing budget who relied on this extra bit of generic discoverability.

    The big studio releases won't feel the effect, and the crappy titles, that this is supposed to hide, will get thrown on the market irrespective.

  • ookami007ookami007 Posts: 581Member

    @RabidParrot said:
    Listed in the article. - "More importantly, the editorial sections mean those developers who build great games will be rewarded for doing so, instead of having to compete against an inscrutable algorithm."

    Ah... but WHO does the editorial section. It's a bit short sighted and naive of the author to believe that great games will be rewarded.

    The truth is, it means FAR, FAR, FAR fewer games will get noticed because the editorial people have to first FIND a new indie game... and that means buzz... or paying them off... or just something that happens to catch their eye out of the 1.2 million apps in the iTunes store.

    It's predicated on the old fallacy that if you build it... they will come.

    99.999999999999999999999% of the time, they will not come. You must literally lead them by the nose and even then they will not come.

    What this really does is eliminate any boost you get from the what's new and other sections and replaces it with a 1 in 1.2 million lottery.

  • SocksSocks London, UK.Posts: 12,822Member

    Sounds like another small but good move in the right direction.

  • SocksSocks London, UK.Posts: 12,822Member
    edited June 2015

    @ookami007 said:
    Ah... but WHO does the editorial section.

    Apple.

    @ookami007 said:
    It's a bit short sighted and naive of the author to believe that great games will be rewarded.

    Why do you say that ? What mechanism do you foresee that would negate this idea ?

    @ookami007 said:
    The truth is, it means FAR, FAR, FAR fewer games will get noticed because the editorial people have to first FIND a new indie game... and that means buzz... or paying them off... or just something that happens to catch their eye out of the 1.2 million apps in the iTunes store.

    I don't think Indie games would (or should) get preferential treatment, rather that good games - regardless of whether indie or not - should be recognised regardless - free from the App market distortions of algorithmic manipulation.

  • RondoRocketRondoRocket Posts: 411Member

    @Armelline said:
    As a browser of the app store I find this very annoying. As a developer, I'm undecided still.

    That about sums it up for me.

    I'm going to miss being able to go into specific sub categories and browse new releases. Once in a while you come across little gems. The good news is if they only make these changes to the US store than it's easy enough to switch to another country and browse away. :smile:

  • ApprowApprow Posts: 703Member

    OMG THAT IS AMAZING!!! I was hoping for such a long time that they would make changes like these to the store.thanks for sharing

  • Bad wolf GuyBad wolf Guy Posts: 206Member

    A step towards more quality games. :)

  • ookami007ookami007 Posts: 581Member

    @Socks said:
    APPLE.

    Exactly. Once again, we are being force feed what THEY think we should see, not necessarily what we want to see. I hate the philosophy that someone else thinks they know what's best for me.

    Why do you say that ? What mechanism do you foresee that would negate this idea ?

    I say this because it is true. It's like me saying there is gravity. Fact. Maybe because I've been around longer than most people on this forum. You have to read between the lines and see what this is all about. It's about APPLE CONTROLLING WHAT YOU SEE. Basically we've traded many manipulators for one manipulator.

    I don't think Indie games would (or should) get preferential treatment, rather that good
    games - regardless of whether indie or not - should be recognised regardless - free
    from the App market distortions of algorithmic manipulation.

    I'm not saying they WILL get preferential treatment. Quite the opposite. Take a look at the book review section of any major newspaper or major website. What are the books getting reviewed? Are they the indie books? No. They're best sellers. You RARELY, RARELY see any new, upcoming authors reviewed. They stick with the people that have buzz around their names because in order for an editor to write about something or add it to a curated list, they have to KNOW about it... to know about it, they have to find it. How do we find new games? Mostly through advertising and then word of mouth.

    So, that means more of the mainstream games and less of the indie games. Whereas before, we had an equal chance to be noticed with everyone else in the what's new... now, as I stated... it's a lottery.

    So if you like LESS... less ways to get noticed, less chance of getting noticed...then this is a positive move for you. If you like MORE... more work for you to get noticed, more money you have to spend to get noticed... then this is a positive move for you.

  • Bad wolf GuyBad wolf Guy Posts: 206Member

    @ookami007 I feel the people who complain are the ones who make clones or poor quality games. Apple has simple re-structured how THIER consumers see THIER products. Instead of showing all these indie clones of flappy bird or any new trending game, they can show what THEY believe has quality or offers something unique or might be interested in. Its just another way to filter out the junk even more and I fully support it. And if this means having more control than so it goes.

  • ApprowApprow Posts: 703Member

    @Bad wolf Guy I agree, I remember back in the day when pretty much all mobile games were awesome. I think this was because developers actually cared about what they were creating. Nowadays pretty much everyone can create games, which is a good thing! But I don't blame apple for finally taking the next step to cut the crap.

    @ookami007 said:
    If you like MORE... more work for you to get noticed, more money you have to spend to get noticed..

    What exactly do you mean by more money? If you mean advertising, it will not be more profitable if I understood the article correctly. Because it will not give you organic downloads after the campaign. This is exactly why apple is doing this, by giving quality games more priority;)

  • ArmellineArmelline Posts: 4,752Member, PRO

    Quality of games will have sod all to do with things. If you are a big name publisher or have had a very successful game in the past, you'll get featured, even if your game is crap. Why? Because people will download it and Apple will make money.

    Games with iAds and IAP will get more exposure than ones with other ad services.

    Apple will, as always, push their own agenda for their own benefit.

  • Thunder_ChildThunder_Child Posts: 2,343Member

    So would cheezy looking games like Doodle Jump, Flappy Bird, Three Points make it with these new rules? Does someone play them and say "oh I like this...let's bump this one up"?

    I guess slots games, platformers, Jump games...games that play just like games already on the App Store will just...go away?

    I bet there's one game type that won't go away...these "game of Thrones", "Game of War"
    Type games that milk you for money...the ones that make Apple the most money will go straight to the top...because it makes Apple money.

    Free apps with only ads and no IAP will have no need to even publish anymore.

    I'm not sure it will really make a difference to me...every thing I have made disappears 3 days after release anyways...I'm just not a good enough developer...regardless of funding.

  • ArmellineArmelline Posts: 4,752Member, PRO

    What I really wish is Apple would enforce some standards on the categories games say they're in. Top 10 free Board games (here at least):

    1. Flow Free - Not a board game
    2. 1010! - Not a board game
    3. Monopoly Bingo - Arguably a board game
    4. Words with Friends - Okay, a board game
    5. 2048 - Not a board game
    6. Scrabble Free - Okay, a board game
    7. AdVenture Capitalist! - Not a board game
    8. Sudoku - Not a board game
    9. Four in a Row 2015 - I guess a board game
    10. Solitaire Free!! - Not a board game

    6/10 games in the top ten are clearly NOT board games. It's true of every category. Apple let this rubbish slide far too much.

  • ookami007ookami007 Posts: 581Member

    @Approw said:
    What exactly do you mean by more money? If you mean advertising, it will not be more profitable if I understood the article correctly. Because it will not give you organic downloads after the campaign. This is exactly why apple is doing this, by giving quality games more priority;)

    Sorry, but that is incorrect. Spending money on advertising will now be the only way to get results. Organic results include things like... people finding your game based on keywords, genre, etc. and search results... AND.... top lists/new lists... you just took away the top lists/new lists... so that means less ORGANIC results.

    Advertising is not organic. It's ... advertising. You pay to put your stuff in someone's face and if the advertisement (not the game) looks appealing, then they MAY click.

  • ApprowApprow Posts: 703Member
    edited June 2015

    @ookami007 said:
    Spending money on advertising will now be the only way to get results.

    Exactly my point

    Advertising is not organic. It's ... advertising. You pay to put your stuff in someone's face and if the advertisement (not the game) looks appealing, then they MAY click.

    If you can't get organic downloads after the advertisement campaign, its kind of pointless don't you think?

    To be honest, most games I see in the advertisements are really really bad, or they are clash of clan's types of games. If you really think you have a great game, or something you're incredibly proud of, go to PAX, get in touch with bloggers and vloggers, make a trailer, post it everywhere! because if it's good, people will find it. If you read about indie success stories, most of them got their success for free, not by paying for advertisements.
    However, I do understand why some developers will not like apple's move.

  • ookami007ookami007 Posts: 581Member

    @Armelline said:

    Apple will, as always, push their own agenda for their own benefit.

    That's been my point the entire time. Basically, it's like Google just said that they will show you the curated results for any of your searches, rather than actual search results... and people think that's a good thing.

  • GnarlyGnarly canadaPosts: 840Member

    It's their store and they can do what they wish.

    I'm sure companies complain how their products are placed at Walmart.

    Apple like Walmart will do what ever they like to maximize profits.

    That's about it.

  • ApprowApprow Posts: 703Member

    @Armelline said:
    Apple will, as always, push their own agenda for their own benefit.

    @ookami007 said:
    That's been my point the entire time. Basically, it's like Google just said that they will show you the curated results for any of your searches, rather than actual search results... and people think that's a good thing.

    I do agree on that statement. Apple is all in for the money, which can be a downside with this new change. But I'm sure there might be some more changes in the near future to keep most people happy. Maybe even a new store when iOS 9 comes out;)

  • jay2dxjay2dx Posts: 606Member

    this is a great move to be honest! people will strive to make better games, also I expect most of my downloads to be from youtube links and twitter social stuff so im not worried! games only really get featured after they've hit a big download stream anyways unless a tester really likes your game. social media and word of mouth is all we can hope for in this day and age, get creative with your advertising guys and lets stop making flappy bird 2!

  • SocksSocks London, UK.Posts: 12,822Member

    @ookami007 said:
    I say this because it is true. It's like me saying there is gravity. Fact. Maybe because I've been around longer than most people on this forum.

    Well argued.

    Lol :wink:

  • RabidParrotRabidParrot Formally RabidParrot. Posts: 956Member

    @ookami007 said:

    I blame the NWO

  • ArmellineArmelline Posts: 4,752Member, PRO

    @gattoman said:
    Apple like Walmart will do what ever they like to maximize profits.

    Sucks to be a consumer though. I'd say 60% of the games I play are small ones that would never be featured, wouldn't be considered "great" games but just appeal to me. They're fun to play even if they're not flashy enough to get featured. I want to see everything, not just what Apple deem worthy. It's already extremely difficult to find interesting new things on the App Store, and this is only going to make it harder.

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