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Well done Gendai (I'm being sarcastic here btw!!!)

quantumsheepquantumsheep Posts: 8,188Member
For resolving this issue:

http://gamesalad.com/forums/topic.php?id=7478&page=4

As you can see, Deadpixels (or Laciudad as he's now known - third name change??) has made a doodle version of Duck Hunt. You can find it here for $.99:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/duck-hunt-doodle/id381527940?mt=8

Well done deadpixels!!!

And well done Gendai for spotting that the original copyright infringing version is still available:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/duck-hunt-the-game/id376559679?mt=8

And at double the original price pixels was charging at $1.99.

Brilliant. Round of applause for all! Way to learn a lesson and resolve an issue!!! :D

(oh, come on. Now that the iAd 'Pro' furore has died down, we need a little drama back on the forums, no?)

QS :D

Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
Web: http://www.quantum-sheep.com

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  • reddotincreddotinc Posts: 653Member
    What a joke.. I believe in karma though, so I think this kid is due a big load of KARMA in the.... any time soon..
  • gyroscopegyroscope I am here.Posts: 6,577Member, Sous Chef, PRO
    It still is flippin' annoying though, as annoyed as QS is, I'm sure you'll agree, tshirtbooth. Though I'd agree with you that it's perhaps not Gendai's place to police games.

    Hang on, gotta get something out of my system: Ninten-doh! Was it worth it? You're right....no it wasn't.

    :-)
    reddotinc said:
    What a joke.. I believe in karma though, so I think this kid is due a big load of KARMA in the.... any time soon..

    A big load of Karma in the chameleon? Painful!

    ""You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike." - Zork        temp domain http://spidergriffin.wix.com/alphaghostapps

  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Posts: 8,188Member
    tshirtbooth said:
    Hey QS, i get why your mad, but i also dont think its GS place to police the games being made.

    Not only that once the game is uploaded to apple GS can not have it removed as there not NINTENO!

    But feel free to get on them about the Pause as its been months and they have not even tried to get that going again!

    cheers

    Ah, yeah, whatever - I just saw him post on another thread and out of curiosity wanted to see if he actually made a different version...

    Which is when I saw he still had the first game up.

    As for Pause - I'm actually really happy with the way ios4 handles it. I can pause a game anytime. It's all I ever wanted :D

    QS :D

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: http://www.quantum-sheep.com

  • gyroscopegyroscope I am here.Posts: 6,577Member, Sous Chef, PRO
    quantumsheep said:
    I can pause a game anytime. It's all I ever wanted :D

    QS :D

    wow, QS, I'm impressed with that comment! You're not a monk, are you? ;-)

    ""You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike." - Zork        temp domain http://spidergriffin.wix.com/alphaghostapps

  • synthesissynthesis Posts: 1,693Member
    quantumsheep said:
    (oh, come on. Now that the iAd 'Pro' furore has died down, we need a little drama back on the forums, no?)

    IMO - NO!!!
    The lack of persistent whining is refreshing lately.
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Posts: 8,188Member
    @ Synth - it was a joke.

    Lighten up.

    QS :D

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: http://www.quantum-sheep.com

  • butterbeanbutterbean Posts: 4,315Member, PRO
    quantumsheep said:
    For resolving this issue:

    http://gamesalad.com/forums/topic.php?id=7478&page=4

    As you can see, Deadpixels (or Laciudad as he's now known - third name change??) has made a doodle version of Duck Hunt. You can find it here for $.99:

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/duck-hunt-doodle/id381527940?mt=8

    Well done deadpixels!!!

    And well done Gendai for spotting that the original copyright infringing version is still available:

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/duck-hunt-the-game/id376559679?mt=8

    And at double the original price pixels was charging at $1.99.

    Brilliant. Round of applause for all! Way to learn a lesson and resolve an issue!!! :D

    (oh, come on. Now that the iAd 'Pro' furore has died down, we need a little drama back on the forums, no?)

    QS :D

    I have to agree with Tshirt on this. It's blatant copyright infringement of Nintendo's product, but it's Nintendo's job to deal with it, not Gendai.

    I'm surprised the app has stayed in the store as long as it did though!
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Posts: 8,188Member
    Sure, BB - you and T-shirt are both right. It's Nintendo's problem.

    But obviously this kid just cannot learn a lesson. Or just doesn't care.

    Surely GS should ban him? Send a message to everyone that it's wrong and it won't be tolerated?

    QS :D

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: http://www.quantum-sheep.com

  • butterbeanbutterbean Posts: 4,315Member, PRO
    @QS: I guess that would be up to Gendai... Not sure at this point that they would do anything since they haven't already...

    Seems he's not the only one in the App store having a hard time passing up easy $ in the app store. Look at all the Mirror Apps that are making bank, and other silly entertainment apps. There are too many examples left and right in the app store making $ whether it is Copyright infringement, or misleading apps like Mirror ones.

    (Although if a consumer is idiotic enough to think that an iphone can actually turn into a mirror, I guess that's their own fault, and if Apple is boneheaded enough to allow this stuff, then I guess it is what it is. Unfortunate, but true)
  • gyroscopegyroscope I am here.Posts: 6,577Member, Sous Chef, PRO
    Hi Predators; why do you keep changing your name, I wonder? Anyhow: people have been trying to get through to you that what you are doing is stealing, not only intellectual property but actual property as far as design and artwork is concerned. If I made a complete copy of one of your 27 games in development (yeah, right) and put my name on it would you be happy? I don't think so. I'll say again, just because Nintendo is a company and not an individual doesn't change anything. "If Nintendo doesn't give a **** why should you?" doesn't wash either, but I can't be bothered to explain. But enough to say that it's the principle of the thing.

    If Nintendo fired themselves up by just 5%, you'd be burned to a frazzle, I can tell you. You would be made to be an example; you'd be taken to court. and I can bet I know what the judge would say after you told him (I paraphrase) "I stole intellectual property - other people's output from their talent - because I desperately needed a few bucks. I intend to steal a film score tomorrow, a novel manuscript the day after, and a song after that; but it's OK, I need a few bucks."

    Actually, I'll stop there, I don't know why I'm bothering.

    ""You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike." - Zork        temp domain http://spidergriffin.wix.com/alphaghostapps

  • DhondonDhondon Posts: 717Member
    How long before its gone from the appstore?
  • BarkBarkCoBarkBarkCo Posts: 1,400Member
    I think I would have had less of a prob with this dev if this was the first version of the game he released. I feel like since he is using (somewhat) different graphics, and not just a pixel:pixel copy, that it is not as blatantly egregious.
  • POLYGAMePOLYGAMe Posts: 3,470Member
    27 games in development...wow. Bet there's some quality stuff coming to the App Store.
  • ChunkypixelsChunkypixels Posts: 1,113Member
    I actually think QS is right here, and Tshirt is missing the point a bit.

    I think Gendai has a responsibility to protect its reputation, and that of other developers using its product. Remember, the very first logo that comes up on the Duck Hunt game is the GameSalad one.

    It doesnt reflect well on the brand, or any of the other Express members who then have the same logo at the front of their products.

    Its not as much of a worry for pro users of course, but then again, Gendai's lack of visible interest in the issue might just be a cunning ploy to help push more users towards buying Pro accounts :)

    And im pretty sure Gendai could easily lodge a complaint with apple, under the grounds that its a misuse of their development software.

    I also think it just sets a bad example. Our villain of the piece openly admits and knows what hes doing is wrong and illegal, but still happily flaunts what hes doing on the forums.... inspiring others to follow his lead.

    Again, bringing the reputation of GameSalad into disrepute.
  • butterbeanbutterbean Posts: 4,315Member, PRO
    @ ChunkyPixels:

    I see your point and argument for Gendai's reputation. If they do however, decide to report Apple based on this user's copyright infringement using GS software, then they also better pursue other people that have:

    Published templates to the app store for money, and pursue those that have copied others' games etc etc.

    I don't think this will be an isolated incident, and I doubt this is the last we will hear of this, as unfortunate as that sounds.
  • design219design219 Posts: 2,273Member
    From the announcement thread now closed:

    Predadors
    Member
    "So Guys, After talking with a Nintendo representative. He told me that they don't give copyright pass to independent developers because of the huge traffic they decline all the requests. He told me that I can keep my game in the app store for a week but no more than that. Conclusion I will remove the game from the App Store in 2-3 days.

    1 month ago"


    See, here's the problem, you have zero credibility left. You said you would take the game down a month ago.
    Predadors said:

    Just let it go. If Nintendo doesn't give a **** why should you?

    According to your old thread, they do.
  • ChunkypixelsChunkypixels Posts: 1,113Member
    I doubt he even spoke to a nintendo rep, and just told everyone that to get people off his back....

    Lets face it, if a Nintendo rep did tell you to get the game removed within a week, you'd be a complete idiot to push it, and risk it.
  • design219design219 Posts: 2,273Member
    Chunkypixels said:
    ...if a Nintendo rep did tell you to get the game removed within a week, you'd be a complete idiot to push it, and risk it.

    Yeah. I wonder if they did contact him?

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  • chosenonestudioschosenonestudios Posts: 1,714Member
    Theres nothing in the GameSalad TOS that says he cant do what he's doing... If they banned him that would be illegal... He's going to continue, so theres no point in trying to stop him... The game "he made" actually has good reviews and people seem to enjoy it, so its not giving us a bad name... Drop it or go call the Nazis.....

    Can we start complaining about online leaderboards now?
  • UtopianGamesUtopianGames Posts: 5,686Member
    +1 for online leaderboards :)

    Darren.
  • design219design219 Posts: 2,273Member
    +1 for online leaderboards!
  • reddotincreddotinc Posts: 653Member
    + 3 for online leaderboards!!
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Posts: 8,188Member
    +1 for online leaderboards

    And:
    chosenonestudios said:
    Theres nothing in the GameSalad TOS that says he cant do what he's doing... If they banned him that would be illegal... He's going to continue, so theres no point in trying to stop him... The game "he made" actually has good reviews and people seem to enjoy it, so its not giving us a bad name... Drop it or go call the Nazis.....

    From the terms of service:

    You represent and warrant that: (i) you own all Submissions posted by you on or through this Site or the Gendai Games Services or otherwise have the right to grant the licenses to Gendai Games and users of the Site and Gendai Games Services set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Submissions on or through this Site or the Gendai Games Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, trademark rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person or entity.

    And:

    Gendai Games may terminate your Account for any reason at any time, including, without limitation, by way of example only, your violation of these Terms, sharing your Account information with a third party, illegal or improper use of your Account, the Gendai Games Services, any other products or services of Gendai Games or Gendai Games’ intellectual property rights. You may lose your user name and/or persona as a result of Account termination. If you have more than one Account, Gendai Games may terminate all of your Accounts, user names and personas and all related entitlements. Gendai Games is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Account. If your Account is terminated for any reason, no refunds or credits will be granted.

    Learn to read before you start calling people Nazis for actually being in the right! :D

    Thanks,

    QS

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: http://www.quantum-sheep.com

  • chosenonestudioschosenonestudios Posts: 1,714Member
    1. Like anything else, thats arguable, considering this exact thing happens all over the app store...
    2. Your right about the account....

    3
    quantumsheep said:
    Learn to read

    Apparently I'm not the only one...
    chosenonestudios said:
    go call the Nazis.....

    i didn't call anybody anything.... Maybe you should learn to read too...

    And here, I'll put a smiley to make it all better...

    Thanks,

    Will :D
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Posts: 8,188Member
    Maybe I should learn how to read.

    Or maybe you should be clearer. If you're not calling people Nazis, what does your statement actually *mean*?

    Your full sentence reads 'drop it... or go call the nazis' - so aren't you implying that we're all nazis unless we drop it???

    Please do explain, I'm all ears.

    And a smiley for you, sweetcheeks :D

    QS :D

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: http://www.quantum-sheep.com

  • POLYGAMePOLYGAMe Posts: 3,470Member
    Round One! DING DING DING!
  • hrsmediahrsmedia Posts: 522Member
    This topic is always a funny read. Dare I say it, I think the man has actually pulled it from the store this time...
  • chosenonestudioschosenonestudios Posts: 1,714Member
    quantumsheep said:
    Maybe I should learn how to read.

    Or maybe you should be clearer. If you're not calling people Nazis, what does your statement actually *mean*?

    Your full sentence reads 'drop it... or go call the nazis' - so aren't you implying that we're all nazis unless we drop it???

    Please do explain, I'm all ears.

    And a smiley for you, sweetcheeks :D

    QS :D

    I was implying that if you aren't going to drop it, go call the nazis, aka nintendo or someone that cares.. Not necessarily saying nintendo is evil though...
  • peachpellenpeachpellen Posts: 977Member
    QS - right as ever.

    We've had a big thread here before when someone asked if they could publish the template games from GS - about how such crappy apps would effect the GS community at large.

    Stealing is stealing; in a business that is full of creative minds to have someone ripping off a big company like Nintendo is sad, but also raises the question of when we will see fellow Devs being plagiarized as well.

    To be mad about an injustice or crime ONLY if you are the victim is great, if you can do it - it saves a lot of time! For everyone else though, ripping off others and publishing with the same load screen we all do - well, I don't like it.
  • POLYGAMePOLYGAMe Posts: 3,470Member
    I pray for the day when people rip my stuff off... it means it's good!
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