These posts are just straight up PATHETIC! Grow Up!
JamesZeppelin
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Ok,
There is a handful of people who this post doesn't apply to. (and ironically do better with game salad sales than most of the whining bucnh)
LET ME BE CLEAR.. When i say whiners i don mean people who are posting oinions.
I mean straight up whiners. I support having a realistic discussion but, this has turned into some sort of hive mind cry about my life fest!
Here is my opinion........
This is even worse than all the "Game salad ruined my life, i'll never pay the bills without iAds" posts a couple months ago. which in hindsight are even more pathetic now that we know iAds was never the magic bullet anyways.
Game salad is and has always aimed more towards the hobbiest.
If you really think you are so great why are you even counting on a tool like game salad.
Learn to use more than one tool if you really wanna make a living and call yourself a developer. Dragging and dropping 15 min worth of crap is not game development.
Fire Maple Games left the logo on his games that people like to point out when they talk about how much money you can make!!!!
Whining about the game salad logo, seriously? most of the biggest complainers already have it on their games anyways. There are a few who can't show for clients, but they have also been pretty realistic with their objections as opposed to whining.
Orbz makes better 5min demos than half the games some of you think will pay your bills.
Most of the devs that make a living here are also smart enough to not rely 100% on a small company in beta to support them for the rest of their lives. Get real!
Tshirt sells shirts, He didnt quit when he found game salad. Tshirt makes money with game salad because he is a hard worker. His familes future does not rest in the hands of game salad, nor should yours!
1) The game salad logo isnt killing your sales, your crappy game is!
Seriously ...get real, I can just tell by looking at the apps made by 99% of the biggest whiners Game Salad is not your biggest game killer....Time to realize this is a hobby for now. And when its not you likely wont need GS anymore anyways.
2) I would say the overwhelming majority of the whining is coming from people who probably dont make more than $5 a day BEFORE apples cut anyways. And if you think you your next game was gonna let you retire... I'm sorry you are sadly mistaken. Game salad did not take that from you.
3) Half nothing is still nothing.. sorry. Whatever cut game salad takes is not what is gonna make it or break it for you!
There is a handful of people who this post doesn't apply to. (and ironically do better with game salad sales than most of the whining bucnh)
LET ME BE CLEAR.. When i say whiners i don mean people who are posting oinions.
I mean straight up whiners. I support having a realistic discussion but, this has turned into some sort of hive mind cry about my life fest!
Here is my opinion........
This is even worse than all the "Game salad ruined my life, i'll never pay the bills without iAds" posts a couple months ago. which in hindsight are even more pathetic now that we know iAds was never the magic bullet anyways.
Game salad is and has always aimed more towards the hobbiest.
If you really think you are so great why are you even counting on a tool like game salad.
Learn to use more than one tool if you really wanna make a living and call yourself a developer. Dragging and dropping 15 min worth of crap is not game development.
Fire Maple Games left the logo on his games that people like to point out when they talk about how much money you can make!!!!
Whining about the game salad logo, seriously? most of the biggest complainers already have it on their games anyways. There are a few who can't show for clients, but they have also been pretty realistic with their objections as opposed to whining.
Orbz makes better 5min demos than half the games some of you think will pay your bills.
Most of the devs that make a living here are also smart enough to not rely 100% on a small company in beta to support them for the rest of their lives. Get real!
Tshirt sells shirts, He didnt quit when he found game salad. Tshirt makes money with game salad because he is a hard worker. His familes future does not rest in the hands of game salad, nor should yours!
1) The game salad logo isnt killing your sales, your crappy game is!
Seriously ...get real, I can just tell by looking at the apps made by 99% of the biggest whiners Game Salad is not your biggest game killer....Time to realize this is a hobby for now. And when its not you likely wont need GS anymore anyways.
2) I would say the overwhelming majority of the whining is coming from people who probably dont make more than $5 a day BEFORE apples cut anyways. And if you think you your next game was gonna let you retire... I'm sorry you are sadly mistaken. Game salad did not take that from you.
3) Half nothing is still nothing.. sorry. Whatever cut game salad takes is not what is gonna make it or break it for you!
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But, I informed game salad i no longer wanna be a sous chef (which is a moderator)
People always mention how game salad has a great community.
In my opinion 20 or so COMPLETELY AMAZING people and a couple hundred cry babies is not a great community.
The great people know who they are.
If you don't feel like you are one of them then you probably one of them.
It's just my opinion anyways.
Which probably doesn't even mean much to most of you.
Please people, until we get the full story, please… pretty please with a crouton on top… please take a couple of seconds before hitting the ‘Send Post’ button and ensure your posts are constructive.
Anyone coming to GS to make games has relied on the members of this community to do all the technical support, documentation, example projects and tutorials that gendai couldn't be bothered to do themselves. Take away those members and everyone suffers. Find me a yellow post that shows how much gendai appreciates this.
Yeah crap app makers will be no worse off but their opinions on the complete lack of respect this company shows to its paying (beta) customers is still valid (never quite got over the fact we pay for beta software.... bizarre).
Agreed, let's everyone buy the full 1.0 version ...... oh..... how do you mean we can't buy it?
Personally i don't agree with them.
I am just blown away by what the response has turned into.
I agree with Stusapps about being vocal, but being vocal is different than how with game salad, whenever anything sounds remotely bad people start blaming them for their personal failures.
Look at iAds.
Most the same people had posts about how they wont be able to pay their rent. Over iAds... seriously?
EDIT: it's not actually (referring to the next sentence, I just feel a little less worse of than everybody else )
From my point of view this is quite good news, I'm a student with very little funds and I use GS as a hobby, like you mentioned. Never once did I intend to make lots of money from it, I think this is summed up in the fact that I have never owned an apple license or GS license, and I've been using GS for about 8 months now (roughly). I've created many games (all of which I would consider at least the same standard as the majority of GS games I have seen released) but never once have I decided to release one (although I was just beginning to get there with a few recent games) as I feel they aren't up to the standard that I would like to have, and I'd consider myself very capable with the tool.
I understand the whole GameSalad taking away your brand and identity thing. In fact I understand everyones complaints about everything to do with it, but I agree some of them are pathetic.
On second thoughts, the first paragraph doesn't have much relevance, but it took a while to write
Most don't sell beta because no one will buy it.
You could buy unity beta 3 for $300 or for Pro with iphone $2400.
This is new territory. Past models don't really apply.
If i was them i would have just not called it beta.
iTorque is 30x more buggy and they dont call it beta lol
Second is that their "silence, tease, silence, cryptic remark, silence, tease, wait a while, say half the facts, more silence" approach to communication has built up this environment of mistrust and confusion. Tell people things as they are when they happen. I said it in another thread that this secrecy approach may work for apple but for a small company it looks unprofessional and arrogant.
I view the tone of this thread to be counter-productive and inaccurate.
It is clear that Gendai Games is hurting their business, even though it is apparent that insiders advised them against GameSalad Direct as the primary - and only - business model.
New territory is no reason for bad practise.
All of us have different situations. I'm not happy, and I've said so.
I think the real problem was GS priced the express way too low. GS provided an amazing product at a bargain price, but it wasn't good enough for many. People begain to expect soooo much. Well, GS has given what all the complainers were asking for. My biggest issue is the way GS deals with (communicates with) it's users... it's customers.
Well, I'm a complainer, but with eyes wide open. It hope we see a pro option remain, even at the old $2,000 price. Who could complain then?
That said, here is my protest video again:
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Friends sharing the "great" news about GameSalad Publisher! (warning: adult words)
I cant speak for game salad but there is a good chance they are all in 100% agreement with us.
Just sharing a past experience that illustrates my point.
I spent years with a company called flipswap ( can look them up flipswap.com)
We were a start up with a fresh concept and an awesome vibe. We got an 11m investment. But, the firm put a board of directors on top who basically tore the company apart.
They may recover but not as the same company.
Investment firms can really take a place to the next level but when there is a company that has a new fresh idea they ironically send a board of fat old assholes who dont understand that the company took off because they WERE NOT doing things the fat old asshole way (that probably works 95% of the time)
These days one blogger can bring a company to its knees.
These investment firms need to wake up and look at what they are taking on and not just base everything on what made them 145,000,000 in 2007 with a bank investment.
everyone has an opinion, and not everyone agrees with each other.... but i think under the circumstances its only fair that everyones view is heard....whether we like them or not.
Also, in note of a seperate comment... just because some people might not have a published game up on the store yet, doesnt mean that they havent spent considerable time developing one, that they just havent finished yet. If theyve invested time using the software, then they should be heard.
But I still posted my rant video, which I guess was just too much.
Don't know, and really starting to not care at this point.
Then again I still haven't seen the video
if you wanna leave then just get out and find any other software.
you dont have to share your opinion 100k in 2 days.
Regards,
aalzanki
This thread-starting post is pretty much the antithesis of how TSB has been conducting himself in regards to this ordeal from what I've seen. He's been respectable and quite logical in his discourse. He's a good Sous-Chef.
However, trying to complain about the whining is like peeing your pants to stay warm in freezing weather. And telling people to "grow up" is a bit ridiculous.
But now I can't send it to Apple cause I waited to long to sign up with GS.
And its not always about the money, all I hoped for was to maybe recover my $200 Investment.
But it was fun doing it and I am now ready to start something more involved. Thanks to a lot of help from this community and Photics book.
I just don't understand why GS is closing the door and not have their new system in place?
That is unless you're a born-again, that should place you at 1.1. If you have a kid, is that a forked version of 2.0?
Seriously though, I've always said that Express should have been $300-500, or at least a lot more than $99, until it was out of beta, then crank it to $1000. Maybe then, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Don't give up if you've been developing your game. This new system might work great for you. I was interested in what you were making, as I seem to recall you were asking some good questions.
People in general complain about everything...a tool doesn't mKe you great...is what you do with it that makes you great.
Is like buying a lottery ticket and not winning...and you say 'its rigged' or 'the goverment controls it...hey, is a gamlbe and a chance you take...is up to you to invest $1000 in lottery tickets and hope for the best or just like my grandpa, he is now old and never gives up hope on winning...he spends $1 usd every week.
Gendai is doing wrong on not communicating, but I still have faith that they would come up for us as they have done before.
Just relax and only panic when we know the facts and is not in your best interest.
RD
My ONLY point is about people blaming game salad for their own failure.
Too many people are looking for the magic answer, They thought they had it and were about to publish God's gift to the app store until gendai swopped in and took it all away...
Thats all i am saying.