GAME IS STOLEN!!!!

iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
I recently created a game that i spent a long time on but didnt publish it because it was my first game for iphone, and i used pictures online that was copyright just to try out, it was more like a test game to see if i can do it. It turned out pretty good so i put it shared folder so people can view it and maybe learn something from it. But on the app store today i came cross the game i made, that was published by itechtouch, all he did was change the name from space tack to star tack, and is selling it for .99 cents, it is so obvious that he stole my game because he didnt change the game name on the title page. Does anyone know what i should do about this, or have any suggestions for me,,
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  • ktfrightktfright Member Posts: 964
    find the dev and demand that it gets removed.
  • rebumprebump Member Posts: 1,058
    Right now...

    Do you have your name in any project comment/note sections that the culprit may have not taken out that you could point Apple to looking at in a "strings" output of the project and if found have them remove it? Maybe a good idea to add some in future projects in case the guy is lazy...not sure if GameSalad's packaging of the app strips out comments/notes though.

    Or maybe GameSalad could provide some upload timestamps of your project in your use with talks with Apple.

    Or you could go dastardly and alert the folks whose images you say were copyrighted and then they could send a DCMA to Apple and have the app removed but you know the person would just look for some new replacement graphics and re-submit it to Apple.

    Going forward...

    A public blog post on a reputable blog hosting site highlighting the game name and a very brief and vague statement about game play (to not reveal too much) and then an eventual screenshot may come in handy for a timestamp notice...but some may think it is fake-able (thus the use of reputable blog site that has "entry last edited dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm" timestamps).

    Also, mailing yourself a copy of the code, images, etc. in a self-addressed sealed envelope with a post office timestamp postage cancellation mark on it is a common way to establish idea timeframe. Not sure how that really holds up in court though.

    I'm sure there are other things you can do in your current situation and in going forward.
  • jhaasjhaas Member Posts: 233
    The lesson here is never, under any circumstances post any game, concept, graphics to this or any other web site until you are fully prepared to go live. (That is for any game you really care about for your own commercial use).

    It's nice that you wanted to allow people to learn, but as you can see, some people will use the work of others and pass it off as their own.
    :(
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Member Posts: 8,188
    Well, looking at your profile, iWin, I see you uploaded your game to GS on December 31st.

    A day earlier, itechtouch joined GameSalad: http://gamesalad.com/p/iTechTouch

    The person's name is Eli Mizrahi.

    On January 6th, Star Tack appeared on the iTunes store.

    There are a few things you can get from this.

    1. itechtouch has to have a gs account (and indeed, it seems he does - see above).
    2. itechtouch has not uploaded any games as yet to gs - there is NO WAY that he could have created the game, and for you to have downloaded it claiming it as your own. You are in the clear here - it's obviously happened the other way round.
    3. Seriously, this just isn't cricket!

    If you need to contact him you can have a look at his twitter here: http://twitter.com/itechtouch/

    Or his website, here: http://itechtouch.com/

    Unfortunately, under the terms of service ( http://gamesalad.com/wiki/gamesalad_online_terms_of_service ), it seems that:

    "If the GENDAI GAMES Service on which you contribute Content permits other users to access and use that contributed Content as part of the GENDAI GAMES Service, than you also grant all other users of the relevant GENDAI GAMES Service the right to use, copy, display, perform, create derivative works from, and otherwise communicate and distribute your contributed Content on or through the relevant GENDAI GAMES Service without further notice, attribution or compensation to you."

    So I'm not sure where you stand on this legally.

    I'm personally interested in making a pachinko style game, which is based off one of the new templates. Of course, I was going to email the Gendai guys to see if they were ok with that. Mr itechtouch doesn't feel the need: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/plinko/id348650766?mt=8

    It would be great to have the GS guys investigate this, and if they can't/won't, then contact Apple with all the info you have and cross your fingers.

    It's a shame, as I think the fact that people share their stuff here lets others learn by example. Additionally, make sure you put copyright notices on your stuff.

    Good luck!

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
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  • ktfrightktfright Member Posts: 964
    I really hate why someone would do this. They should just get banned.
  • firemaplegamesfiremaplegames Member Posts: 3,211
    that sucks, jeez.
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    thanks for the feedback..its nice to see that there are people willing to help. i contacted apple about this so im waiting to see whats going to happen.
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Member Posts: 8,188
    Please keep us informed. I think many would like to know what happens next.

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
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    Web: https://quantumsheep.itch.io

  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    Will Do..
  • gregr209gregr209 Member Posts: 441
    Looks like he might have stolen Penny Pinch as well - http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/penny-pinch/id348834568?mt=8

    Looks like it was first uploaded by a Todd. Now it is with this guy.

    This is just plain WRONG! I can't believe this! Not only that but to also take the pichinko template and just plain pretty much steal that is incredible.

    Hopefully something can be done.
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    This guy is making money off other peoples work..something needs to be done..
  • eliehangeliehang Member, PRO Posts: 105
    now that's just wrong! man..
  • stanimationstanimation Member Posts: 406
    Yep This is wrong!. Which brings me to something GS should seriously consider. The share with others button should be "OFF" by default or a pop-up should come on to ask if we would like to share our game. I have often had to repost games because I forgot to click it off. Also, if the allegations are true he should be banded.
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Member Posts: 8,188
    Penny Pinch and Star Tack are also mentioned here:
    http://gamesalad.com/blog/2010/01/09/this-weeks-new-iphone-games/

    I wonder if Todd (the maker of Penny Pinch) even realises :(

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: https://quantumsheep.itch.io

  • ktfrightktfright Member Posts: 964
    OMG, this guy seriously took the pachinko template and only changed like 2 things! Codemonkey,superNES, please ban him!!!

    What's worse, all of his apps are simple crap spamming the app store. an "iGodPray" app!?!?!

    He is also abusing gamesalad by taking someones game and passing it off on their own. It just sucks because gamesalad is here for non coders to be able to make great games, and there are some just here to find an easier way to make dumb crapware! smh >:(
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    Because of this loser i cant help anyone out on gamesalad by displaying my games. I was really happy when i saw that people were learning off my game but this guy just took it and is getting money every day....Sooooo Unfair..
  • quantumsheepquantumsheep Member Posts: 8,188
    In all seriousness, if you're worried about your games being stolen, I'd go through every game you've uploaded that you care about and check they aren't available to download.

    Just to be sure, eh?

    Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
    Web: https://quantumsheep.itch.io

  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    this &*#^@ idiot didnt even change the title screens name on my game..My games name is Space Tack and he changed it to Star Tack but didnt change the name on the title Scree...WOWWW..i didnt realize this until this morning...Someone needs to inform TODD about his game too..Team up to wretch this noob..
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    @quantumsheep i wanted to help others that were stuck on something that my game might of had..i learned now that i should never make the same mistake...that was my first game i ever made so i didnt know what i had coming...I was trying to do a favor but now i know....
  • firemaplegamesfiremaplegames Member Posts: 3,211
    FYI, EVERY game can pretty easily be downloaded from the web games section - whether you have "Download Project" turned on or not. And when you do download it, you get everything - the code, the graphics, the audio, all of the scenes - everything. The entire project. Any beginner level web programmer could show you how.

    It just sucks that this guy did this. not cool.
  • rebumprebump Member Posts: 1,058
    He has a recent "iBored" app on iTunes too. I remember Gianipoppi(?) on GS here had one too. Althought the "iBored" went up on iTunes early than the alleged culprit's account on GS was created so either he has another GS account (one of his "three developers"?) or the two "bored" apps are not similar (his iTunes app only shows the main menu screen which is easily changeable).

    A couple of the alleged culprit's other iTunes titles look very similar to early iPhone app tutorials from about a year ago or so.

    Pretty much seems to throw up as many apps to maximize multiple possible small revenue streams per unit of time - good strategy to some extent (not the stealing that is).
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    This needs to be investigated by GS or Apple..Hes just taking every available game and making money off it....thats so unfair...we really need to do something about this...I also Contacted TODD about his game that by the way was really good was also stolen by itechtouch..But really Penny Pinch looked like a game he worked on for a long time...its soo mean that its not credited to him but to Itechtouch..not cool..
  • rebumprebump Member Posts: 1,058
    Todd = Eli?

    Just something to think about.

    (Don't know if it is true but it is a possibility putting him in the clear for that app but it is not looking good from what has been established thus far...assuming you, iWin, are telling the truth which it sounds like you are.)
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    The only reason why i didnt publish my game Space Tack was because it had pictures from the internet so i didnt want to get in trouble but itechtouch didnt even research so by contacting the owner of the pictures can he get sued..I would love that..teaching him a lesson..lol??
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    Wait so he had 2 accounts..what going on...
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    still waiting.....
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    This guy is up to no good.. i know that he stole my game and possibly some other peoples and that the games he actually maybe created suck!!shows that he has no talent whatsoever..
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    Me=iwin itechtouch=ilose sad but true
  • iWiniWin Member Posts: 334
    ha he probably stole the icon he used for my game too. TYPICAL.....i quit
  • rebumprebump Member Posts: 1,058
    If you did contact the copyright holder of the image(s) you used for testing AND they did decide to pursue it, they would likely just send a DCMA notice to Apple for the app and then Apple would take the app down.

    If enough of those came in to Apple for this developer, he may get banned from iTunes app selling.

    Doubt the copyright holder would sue although they may have an attorney draft the guy a letter asking him to remove the copyright info.

    You may want to do a "Whois" on the guy's domain name...there is another name there...possibly one of his partners. It has an address and phone number too.
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