<ins> <b> All from the USA READ THIS! <b> <ins>

LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
edited January 2012 in Miscellaneous
Dear All Americans,
Im not american, but i think you americans should read and be aware of this:
http://americancensorship.org/
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  • SlickZeroSlickZero Houston, TexasMember, Sous Chef Posts: 2,870
    Yeah, i've been following this for a while. Several large internet companies are supposed to go "black" for a few hours in protest, and to show just what the internet will be like when, and if they pass this bill. Sony is one of the big companies throwing money at lawmakers to get this bill passed. And seeing how on New Years Eve, just before the stroke of midnight, our President sold us out, and made it legal for the government to detain American citizens, for however long they want to, for whatever reason, and basically destroying the Bill of Rights and the Constitution in the process…I don't see how this Bill won't get signed and passed eventually.
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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    This makes me so mad! Were all humans we all have rights, this is basically blocking what we can learn... If this was in ireland we would not stand for it! and the Eu wouldn't allow it! I hope this doesn't come through for you yanks! :P
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  • AsymptoteellAsymptoteell Member Posts: 1,362
    edited January 2012
    Yeah. This really disturbs me. In addition to the new bill SlickZero mentioned, the FCC's right to censor network tv has just been reconfirmed by congress. If you ask me, all of this is backwards, and really needs to stop.
    The internet censorship bothers me even more, though, since it's made to be fully editable by anyone. When we control what Americans can hear with the FCC, it's bad enough, but this Internet censorship bill would control what we can say, and that's even worse, by a long shot.
    Unfortunately, this bill probably will be passed. Maybe not, but it probably will.
    Asymptoteell
  • JohnPapiomitisJohnPapiomitis Member Posts: 6,256
    im moving to canada
  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    @johnpapiomitis
    Lol, random! :)
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  • GraphicWarehouseGraphicWarehouse Member Posts: 927
    @tshirtbooth it will pass because the goverment can do anything they want.

    watch this video the guy is a little psycho but just watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WJIuYgIvKsc
  • RPRP Member Posts: 1,990
    Very familiar with this and have been promoting these matters via Video Game Voters Network for a couple years now. The industry (and I'm not referring to the corporations for obvious reasons), needs to keep from being elbowed to the side while others can protect their IPs, or decide themselves what qualifies for IP, what, when and if things are shown etc.. The big mess that the TV networks are in, tells it all. You don't get to decide what you want to watch, they do (even specialty cable channels are full of nonsense). Now this ideal is going online, imagine NOT having all the great and varied content that has done far more to benefit than negatively impact. Old schoolers, would have noticed the negative impact on gaming in the late 90's when the corporate electronic entertainment wars really took off. Unfortunately this type of thinking and business model became the new norm and has been carried out abroad and caused the departure of many well known creatives from highly respected studio names in gaming. What is sad is that these studios and publishers are not doing enough to speak out against what is going to effect their creativity/products in the end, what's worse is many don't care as long as they are getting paid.

    Once we reach a modest range of adulthood, We don't need more parenting. We also don't need governance over our own creativity or comprehension (That itself is a crime).
  • PhoticsPhotics Member Posts: 4,172
    edited January 2012
    This is the same community that typically says something like, "It's OK if someone steals your game. You can't really stop them anyway."

    When I learned about SOPA, I first saw the outcry... how it was bad for the Internet. But after looking into it, I'm not seeing why it's so bad. I'm not worried about the government randomly shutting down my blog. Instead, I see an end to the wild west of the Internet. As a content creator, I like the idea of being able to go after sites that simply don't care about theft... or those sites that simply look the other way.

    If there's some off-shore website that's hosting my content illegally, why shouldn't the United States government block them? Why should search engines and aggregators profit by indexing and linking to such sites? Boo hoo... those sites will either have to rigorously police the content posted on the site or be shut down.

    I'm thinking this argument of free speech is just a red-herring for theft. If I ran a store where my only business was selling bootleg CDs, DVDs and games... the government would shut me down. If they did, would people argue how my right to free speech was violated? I don't think this is about free speech. If it is, then fight for refinements to the law to offer protection for legitimate websites. What we have right now is broken. Your work, my work, it can be ripped off with little recourse. Why shouldn't the government have a legal weapon against crime?

    Anyway... I'm not sure if SOPA is the right tool for this job, but why let other people do your thinking for you?

    You might want to look into it for yourself...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

    There are arguments for and against SOPA.
  • GraphicWarehouseGraphicWarehouse Member Posts: 927
    @Photics if we dont have internet speech the government has all control over all knowledge we have and sites like youtube will be shut down
  • PhoticsPhotics Member Posts: 4,172
    edited January 2012
    @MjMDesign
    if we dont have internet speech the government has all control over all knowledge we have and sites like youtube will be shut down
    If YouTube was shut down for copyright infringement, how would that stop your free speech? You could create your own website to host your own videos or simply find another one.


    I think if YouTube is legitimately fighting against copyright infringement... if it's working with content creators to protect their rights... then YouTube shouldn't be randomly shut down. I can't really get mad at YouTube, as they have procedures in place to fight against piracy. Yet, when there are sites that are simply dedicated to ripping off content creators, why shouldn't they be blocked?

    There are strong arguments against SOPA. I think shutting down a website should be a weapon of last resort. Example... why should GameSalad.com be shut down because one of its users is uploading pirated games? I don't think that GameSalad should be shut down in that scenario... as GameSalad tries to do the right thing. It seems to respects the rights of content creators. Yet, if some website simply refuses to comply with the DMCA, why shouldn't the government drop the hammer?
  • GraphicWarehouseGraphicWarehouse Member Posts: 927
    @Photics thats not the point all our knowledge will be controlled by the government
  • SlickZeroSlickZero Houston, TexasMember, Sous Chef Posts: 2,870
    edited January 2012
    "If YouTube was shut down for copyright infringement, how would that stop your free speech? You could create your own website to host your own videos or simply find another one." - Then youtube would be gone, it's not up to you. And It's not up to them what is considered copyright infringement. And if anybody tried to make another youtube type of site…it would get shut down too. Goodbye user created content.

    "Example... why should GameSalad.com be shut down because one of its users is uploading pirated games? I don't think that GameSalad should be shut down in that scenario…" - But it will be. Again, it wouldn't be up to you.

    This is simply a case of "One bad apple spoils the bunch" Just because there are a few malicious sites….we all have to pay.

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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    edited January 2012
    Wow Lol! :) When something similar like this happened in ireland! :)
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    Tiocfaidh ar LÁ means: Our day will come
    Which means if you keep trying your day will come! :)
    Im irish by the way!
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  • RPRP Member Posts: 1,990
    If the population you govern is smarter than you or thinks differently, you cannot control them. There is PLENTY of motive to control. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years.

    The Internet has existed this long without government control. Why is it people are letting the government driven programs convince them it's a good thing?
  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    @RP
    Under united nations control the government can not take away anything from your rights!
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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    Look at all the people who are against the internet censorship:
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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    Apple, cocacola, mc donalds, ccn some of the us's biggest companies!!
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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    Strange facebook isn't on there..... But facebook is based in Ireland so.... Yay for Ireland!:)
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  • GraphicWarehouseGraphicWarehouse Member Posts: 927
    I really really really really hope this law doesn't pass
  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922
    edited January 2012
    Facebook is based in California, it's international headquarters is based in Ireland.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Benjamin Franklin

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  • GraphicWarehouseGraphicWarehouse Member Posts: 927
    @tshirtbooth I totally agree
  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922
    edited January 2012
    Exactly, when the lawyers become the gatekeepers nothing will get by. It will amount to self censorship and this goes as well for those who host rack space as well as your portal provider so how are you going to post your content if you have no access and no hosting...unless you can hack you'll be on the outside. It the same thing the government tried to do to Phil Zimmerman when he invented PGP for personnel encryption. The American founding fathers knew first hand that although men could be Brutal there is nothing more brutal and unstoppable than out of control government.

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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    This cannot be happening america takes up half of the worlds Internet! I hope it doesn't pass!
    @fryingbaconstudios
    Oops... Sorry well apples international headquarters is in Ireland, so is face books, twitters, dells, ibm's, microsoft's they love us!
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  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922
    edited January 2012
    I love you too Leonard @-) @leonard I sent you a Skype invite at thermoapps.

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  • LeonardDeveloperLeonardDeveloper Member Posts: 4,630
    @fryingbaconstudios
    Lol!, i love the love around here.... Ya so did ozboybrian.... But I have 2 Skype accounts and I can't figure out ow to log out of my other one so I can accept your requests! :P please help me!
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  • RPRP Member Posts: 1,990
    edited January 2012
    @ leonard

    Lol yeah, the UN will come save the day!!!
    I like the flag symboligy, but I seem to recall quite a few of those lobby to those who support censorship. ;)
  • PixelgunPixelgun Member Posts: 111
    They removed the DNS Blocking provision from SOPA yesterday. That's a minor victory. Here's an HuffPo article about it.

    But it's not just the Stop Online Piracy Act going through Congress that we should worry about. There is also the Protect IP Act or PIPA which is in the US senate right now. PIPA is purportedly "a bill to prevent online threats to economic creativity and theft of intellectual property, and for other purposes." But this bill, like SOPA will give corporations (the entertainment industry is drooling over this one) similar quick, easy and unchecked power. PIPA will give corporations the power to make ISPs block access to infringing domain names, the ability to sue search engines, directories, blogs and other websites to remove any links to infringing domain names. PIPA also gives the power to force advertisement and payment services (iAd, Admob, PayPal, Mastercard, etc.) to cancel accounts for infringing domains.

    Check out this nice video explaining PIPA.
  • PixelgunPixelgun Member Posts: 111
    @LeonardDeveloperd in Skype select File>Sign Out (bottom of the drop down menu) on Mac.
  • GhostShipAppsGhostShipApps Member Posts: 81
    The idea that small or independent content creators will benefit from this is totally naive. If somebody is innocent enough to buy that he can buy anything, even my games.
  • PhoticsPhotics Member Posts: 4,172
    edited January 2012
    @tshirtbooth
    its a lot deeper then you make it out to be.
    For instance if say we have a thread about show off your work area.
    And i post a video of my work area and i have a movie playing on one of my screens.
    Gamesalads web site can be removed from the internet.

    So what will happen is, NO website will EVER allow user generated content!

    This is not a good thing,
    I doubt that would happen. How's that enforceable? There so many websites that have user generated content.


    That's not to say I'm in favor of SOPA. I think it should be a fairly difficult thing to shut down a website. My point is that I'm not inherently opposed to the blocking of obvious pirate websites. The nice thing about United States is that "we the people" run it. The politicians, they're people that can enjoy funny cat videos too. I'm not worried about YouTube or GameSalad getting shut down. Now that there is a healthy backlash to SOPA, maybe the issues in the bill could be properly addressed.

    Yet, the status quo is not going to be good for content creators. I've seen how mad you get when someone rips off your stuff. Do you think a site that exists just for piracy should be afforded "Free Speech" rights? That doesn't seem logical to me.
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