SlickZeroHouston, TexasMember, Sous ChefPosts: 2,870
edited January 2012
"I doubt that would happen. How's that enforceable? There so many websites that have user generated content." - And that is exactly what they are targeting. It's all about control. It comes in bits and pieces. The Bill that got passed on New Years Eve pretty much takes away all civil rights you have as an American. So another chip of the stone is this SOPA Bill that takes away your internet rights.
If you remember the "Cash for Clunkers" bill that Obama passed and implemented…Everybody that signed up gave away their rights to the US Government for privacy. Signing up for that alone gave the government the right to access your bank account, and monitor your internet habits. You don't hear about it, but it's in that Bill.
Little by little they are taking away our rights, and it's all about money, and populace opression. This is not about piracy, this is about control. The US Government wants to control you, and they always have. They are just smarter about it now by bringing it to you in small pieces that chip away at your rights, one year at a time.
@Photics it would happen because the entertainment industry has lots of resources to throw at it. All they would have to do is claim an infringement and the website domain would be blocked. There's no judicial review, as I understand it they don't even have to PROVE infringement.
@LeonardDeveloper any website that is hosted in the US would be subject to this law. And that's regardless of where the company that owns the site is. I believe Gamesalad.com is hosted in the US.
@Pixelgun it would happen because the entertainment industry has lots of resources to throw at it. All they would have to do is claim an infringement and the website domain would be blocked. There's no judicial review, as I understand it they don't even have to PROVE infringement.
Follow that course to the logical end... if lots and lots of popular websites start disappearing, there would be a backlash. If a big game company started to push around GameSalad, using SOPA as leverage, there would be lots of people ready to boycott that game company's products. Also, GameSalad was given money by Steamboat Ventures - the venture capitalist arm of Disney. I don't think it's going to be so easy to push this site around.
But hey, if you are all in the rallying mood... posting here is nice, but what are you really doing about it? Turning a few websites dark for a few hours is not really that effective of a protest.
Are you a United States Citizen? Did you contact your local Congressman / Senator? Did you go to a town hall meeting and ask any of the 2012 candidates their opinion on the matter?
It seems that most of the people here are good and angry... but that's wasted energy with direction. So OK, you don't like SOPA. What are you going to do about it?
@Photics Yes. this is why we talk about these things. People need to know before they can do anything about it. I indeed have done something about it by writing to my state representatives/congress people.
For convenience of conscience here's the Electronic Freedom Foundation's webpage where they have an opportunity for you to take immediate action (if you are a US citizen). Oh yeah I think you probably have to be of voting age too.
@Photics I agree that something has to be done to enforce copyright infringement, but the fact of the matter is that this bill, it seems to me, does not eliminate loopholes in previous laws about infringements, but seems to just increase the severity of the crime, and the number of parties affected by one act of infringement. I don't believe the government as a whole wants to take away people's rights: people, if you ask me, tend to do things that benefit themselves, and taking away others' rights doesn't inherently benefit the government as a whole. To say this is the government doing something maliciously reminds me of someone I saw once telling me "The GOVernment is the largest organized crime group in the world!!!" It's not. That's actually magicians, but that's a story for another time. This bill, if you ask me, won't necessarily cause significantly less free speech, but it does make it possible for that to happen, if not now, then in the future. When the bill previously mentioned, about detaining suspected terrorists indefinitely was signed, President Obama said that he would not use this power. While I'm sure this is true, and while I'm sure many other future presidents won't use this power either, it still is a power given. Once you let one thing go, no matter how small, it's far easier to let other things go through until a serious infringement on people's rights is made.
I've recently been getting in quite a few arguments with a friend of mine over whether or not the German Government's right to restrict Nazi expression was right. Even in a case like this where, I have to admit, this infringement of free speech is necessary, preventing the outbreak of naziism in the government, it still doesn't sit right with me. Still, in that case, I will admit the cause is important enough to justify this hindrance of free expression. In the case of internet free speech, however, the prevention of copyright infringement just doesn't seem nearly worthy enough of a cause to justify this infringement of people's rights, and, as such, I really don't believe it should be passed.
That's all I have to say on the topic for now, so I'm gonna wrap this up before my computer crashes and I lose all this writing.
Asymptoteell
Edit: I hadn't seen your most recent post, Photics. I for one plan to protest here as soon as any public demonstrations arise. I have trouble believing people here in Madison will be okay with this bill.
@Pixelgun Yes. this is why we talk about these things. People need to know before they can do anything about it. I indeed have done something about it by writing to my state representatives/congress people.
Cool! I think that's honorable. Heh... but it depends on what you wrote.
@photics, the fact that GS got "venture" capital from Disney would affect only if the losses are bigger than the profit. I would be very surprised if, in the hypothetical case you mention, that is the case. Also it would be a good community exercise try to boycott someone who can shout down your channel at any time without the justice system acting as buffer.
@GhostShipApps the fact that GS got "venture" capital from Disney would affect only if the losses are bigger than the profit. I would be very surprised if, in the hypothetical case you mention, that is the case. Also it would be a good community exercise try to boycott someone who can shout down your channel at any time without the justice system acting as buffer.
That is another way of looking at it. While I think the gaming community could successfully rally and stage a boycott, the damage would already be done. Investors would be afraid to invest in companies like GameSalad, because the source of revenue could be shut down at any moment. In response to that, they may kill the forums and prevent app uploading to the arcade.
But wait... then GameSalad would have to focus on being a software company! Is it really so bad?
What if there was no community here? What if there was no forum, no arcade, no blog... but GameSalad worked perfectly as came creation software? Would that really be so bad?
@photics: yes. Yes it would be so bad. Preventing gamesalad's ability to make their company the way they want to IS infringement upon free speech. Maybe gamesalad being use solely as a software company would benefit YOU, but it would be a huge negative for gamesalad, an for basic civil rights of both individuals AND companies. So yes: if you ask me, that would be a very very bad thing.
Every time you thoughtfully pick a candidate to vote for you are doing something in regards to issues. This is all about media companies trying to keep a grip on their monopolies. They don't like it that artists and I use the term addressing all creative disciplines, can now profit from their talent directly without being a slave to them because they control the distribution mediums. They don't like it that if we possess the talent that we can compete with them on the same level as the Internet has leveled the playing field. So now they will threaten you and intimidate you by making you realize you don't have the kind of money to defend your rights. This is about putting us in our place, how dare we be able to compete with them for little money. @photics, if you don't think the sharks will, if you are in their way, will eat you up and !@#$% you out, you're a fool. Wait until The day GS becomes a tool big shops decide to use and you'll see then when there is more than a few bucks in writing stuff for GS the real money guys will come out.. Trust me I've been in six figure money deals, you have no idea what a blood bath can result, until you've been there and you better have guts, thick skin and a ruthless demeanor and smarts. I spent a lifetime doing these battle which is why I'm away from that now and doing other things, I don't have the appetite for that anymore.
@Asymptoteell Maybe gamesalad being use solely as a software company would benefit YOU, but it would be a huge negative for gamesalad, an for basic civil rights of both individuals AND companies. So yes: if you ask me, that would be a very very bad thing.
Actually, I think GameSalad would be worse off without this forum. One of the most endearing parts of this software is the cool community. And without the feedback from the forums, the software could have more problems.
This was a good discussion. It was political, without people getting personal and hostile... not counting the last post from FryingBaconStudios. HA! That's probably a strong sign that SOPA is a bad thing. HA!
They are both dead in the water, even if passed cause the'll get vetoed. And they won't pass anyway.
tenrdrmerMember, Sous Chef, Senior Sous-ChefPosts: 9,934
I have to admit im currently pretty ignorant of the SOPA details. Im aware of it and from others comments, concerned, but to be honest I have not had enough time to look into it myself and form and opinion.
They Probably could have passed something, but when they included a provision that if you post content on a website that has even one piece of content on it that infringes copyright, you are just as liable as the infringer, plus they can automatically close any websites you have and ban you from having domain names. So for example, that would effect every single person or entity that posts to YouTube, since it's a given that there is copyright infringement on YouTube now and again. So in the end by inserting such ludicrous enforcement provisions, it was dead from the get go.
Ah and you're shot at Tshirt wasn't personal..lol you're a hypocrite. And BTW you have yet to see me hostile. I've been know to shoot my way out of town..LOL I have lots of practice of being an ahole! some people were raised by wolves, I was raised by sharks, you have no idea.
And I was raised by sharks, who in turn were raised by wolves. Those wolves were raised by a widowed wildebeest, who was raised by an antelope, who, of course, was raised by a sparrow.
when someone asinine person complains about your blog to the government?
the Justice Department Agency's mandate will be to investigate all complaints … while investigating they may use a temporary injunction to block your blog and the hosting site/server. And, no doubt you may have to hire lawyers to validate your blog's legitimacy … can you afford the fines/financial punishment?
A site could have the best of intentions; but issues will be judged by the letter of the law.
a simple oversight: such as putting Apple instead of Apple® is a violation of trademark law …
I abhor Piracy … but no matter how anyone words … it SOPA is not about Piracy … it is about government control and granting conglomerates more rights that are taken from citizens!
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If you remember the "Cash for Clunkers" bill that Obama passed and implemented…Everybody that signed up gave away their rights to the US Government for privacy. Signing up for that alone gave the government the right to access your bank account, and monitor your internet habits. You don't hear about it, but it's in that Bill.
Little by little they are taking away our rights, and it's all about money, and populace opression. This is not about piracy, this is about control. The US Government wants to control you, and they always have. They are just smarter about it now by bringing it to you in small pieces that chip away at your rights, one year at a time.
Actually not true!, that website would have to be American owned for that to happen!, this bill only effects the US
Lol! Your not serious are you? I hope that's a joke!
But hey, if you are all in the rallying mood... posting here is nice, but what are you really doing about it? Turning a few websites dark for a few hours is not really that effective of a protest.
Are you a United States Citizen?
Did you contact your local Congressman / Senator?
Did you go to a town hall meeting and ask any of the 2012 candidates their opinion on the matter?
It seems that most of the people here are good and angry... but that's wasted energy with direction. So OK, you don't like SOPA. What are you going to do about it?
For convenience of conscience here's the Electronic Freedom Foundation's webpage where they have an opportunity for you to take immediate action (if you are a US citizen). Oh yeah I think you probably have to be of voting age too.
I don't believe the government as a whole wants to take away people's rights: people, if you ask me, tend to do things that benefit themselves, and taking away others' rights doesn't inherently benefit the government as a whole. To say this is the government doing something maliciously reminds me of someone I saw once telling me "The GOVernment is the largest organized crime group in the world!!!" It's not. That's actually magicians, but that's a story for another time.
This bill, if you ask me, won't necessarily cause significantly less free speech, but it does make it possible for that to happen, if not now, then in the future.
When the bill previously mentioned, about detaining suspected terrorists indefinitely was signed, President Obama said that he would not use this power. While I'm sure this is true, and while I'm sure many other future presidents won't use this power either, it still is a power given.
Once you let one thing go, no matter how small, it's far easier to let other things go through until a serious infringement on people's rights is made.
I've recently been getting in quite a few arguments with a friend of mine over whether or not the German Government's right to restrict Nazi expression was right. Even in a case like this where, I have to admit, this infringement of free speech is necessary, preventing the outbreak of naziism in the government, it still doesn't sit right with me. Still, in that case, I will admit the cause is important enough to justify this hindrance of free expression. In the case of internet free speech, however, the prevention of copyright infringement just doesn't seem nearly worthy enough of a cause to justify this infringement of people's rights, and, as such, I really don't believe it should be passed.
That's all I have to say on the topic for now, so I'm gonna wrap this up before my computer crashes and I lose all this writing.
Asymptoteell
Edit: I hadn't seen your most recent post, Photics. I for one plan to protest here as soon as any public demonstrations arise. I have trouble believing people here in Madison will be okay with this bill.
But wait... then GameSalad would have to focus on being a software company! Is it really so bad?
What if there was no community here? What if there was no forum, no arcade, no blog... but GameSalad worked perfectly as came creation software? Would that really be so bad?
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This was a good discussion. It was political, without people getting personal and hostile... not counting the last post from FryingBaconStudios. HA! That's probably a strong sign that SOPA is a bad thing. HA!
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when someone asinine person complains about your blog to the government?
the Justice Department Agency's mandate will be to investigate all complaints … while investigating they may use a temporary injunction to block your blog and the hosting site/server. And, no doubt you may have to hire lawyers to validate your blog's legitimacy … can you afford the fines/financial punishment?
A site could have the best of intentions; but issues will be judged by the letter of the law.
a simple oversight: such as putting Apple instead of Apple® is a violation of trademark law …
I abhor Piracy … but no matter how anyone words … it SOPA is not about Piracy … it is about government control and granting conglomerates more rights that are taken from citizens!
@};- MH