Finally, some one says it. Yes, I agree. I am young, but I go the whole 9 yards when it comes to making a game. If something doesnt work perfectly, I dont publish it. That is why I dont have games out. My cousin uses Scratch(which sucks), and published a game where you can only move one direction. No animation, no objective, no coins, and a soundtrack that was a guy randomly saying stuff with cruddy backrground noise. Why out something up if you are not completely satisfied with it?
SlickZeroHouston, TexasMember, Sous ChefPosts: 2,870
edited February 2012
Yeah, Scratch is horrendous. It's like Stencyl on quaaludes.
Scratch online is a horrendous quantity of horrid quality "games" Scratch itself is phenomenal! and is taught on many University campuses!
Scratch is the engine/language of MIT's online revamp of Google' App Inventor for Android apps/games (which also was a Scratch program) Stencyl uses Scratch blocks but their GUI isn't as good as Scratch
Scratch doesn't suck … but, as in all programs: some of the users or their end-results do suck! (like my initial products in Xcode!)
Scratch is closer to standard programing syntax than some other expensive SDKs. Great learning tool for kids and beginners.
I agree with that, but it isnt much compared to gamesalad. Plus, I dont reallly know what it SCratch is at its best because the top 5 games, well, suck.
I'm surely annoyed by the half-ass crap thrown at the app store but at the end of the day the only people you can blame for a failure is yourself.
@OzBoyBrian I think its a bit pre-mature to throw a fit about crap apps on the app store when you don't have one on there yourself. Im not trying to be rude or un-civil, Just honest.
"Kids! Make games! Have fun!" Well said QS , i also don't think it hurt any of us that there is junk out there , think about it for a sec , in order for your game to be considered as "good" others games needs to be considered as "junk" , otherwise , if all games were good , how can your game be "gooder" @Brian , just focus all your energies on your project mate ..
@tenrdrmer ... lol at the last comment... I have to agree though its not all the rubbish apps that get our games lost its a combination of lots of things from advertising money invested to the quality of your own game... i think unless we have 10/10 5* games ourselves, whats to say someone else isn't going to say that our apps are crap??... I mean just ask the big name companies... chillingo published angry birds because they saw the potential it had... why don't we present our games to them, i bet half of us would come back being told its a !@#$% app... i guess im just going to concentrate on making the best game possible to the best of my ability and hope the rest take care of itself... in the mean time i'd thank GS for providing some sort of platform for me to actually be able to realise a childhood dream, which is creating and working on making games thanks guys
To the people saying stuff about me not having an App on the App store yet... It's better then having a "crap" app on the app store as @Tenrdrmer calls it. I would rather put time and effort into something. Just because i'm not throwing an App out every couple weeks doesn't mean i'm not making progress. I've made plenty of games, but i'm after quality results not quick ones.
I think it's one thing to lack introspection, and not gain feedback from others when creating a game, but it really saddens me when I see people just publishing templates, and crap as is to make a quick buck, and without any effort.
This sort of stuff is definitely not limited to GS, and is seen all over the app store. Some games making hundreds a day using horrible tactics to claw their way to the top. It saddens me even more when it's done with kids games, especially with expensive in app purchases.
But I'm afraid that's only the tip of the ice berg, and the least of our worries given other issues that have come up like the app bot services and other unethical means of making money. Ugh, it's just very sad.
Agreed Butterbean, Template publishers (except for the original designer) are the worst.
- In saying what Kipper said, I submitted a game that wasn't even half done once just to reserve the name and THEY APPROVED IT... I was shocked.
- I'm not saying it's all kids or just kids. But that is the main culprit/group I guess if I had to pick one. But Kid or not, it's a no go. make games cause love to be creative and original!
Its so easy to make a "crapt" app tho. Bought or download(free) template > plug in some graphics > publish > done There's no need to put thoughts and effort into it. Maybe I should publish my App- the app about square. You know the square only can be moved from left to right, or right to left. It's so additive for some retarded people. Then I can put an awesome icon for it, and put some nice awesome screen shots that are not relevant to the game. When people click on my app and look at the screen shots. wow this app looks awesome. but when they play the game its all about square. Those screen shot are just the background. :-))
Its down to this. Truly delight yourself and it is much more likely that it will delight others. We've got the tools, we've got access to the market which is so huge it can support niches, and we've got basements, bedrooms and pot noodles. Make Stuff!
I don't think crap apps are a problem. People have to get used that there are a lot of them and find ways to know how to buy good ones. It is a new market and I believe it will balance itself. I would hate if there was a system that would cause kids not to be able to publish. If they really like what they are doing they might come up with the next greatest app. They will learn from there own mistakes. I have more problems with people stealing ideas and graphics.
- Kids making games isn't a problem. Theres no age to be a talent game design. - Craps apps don't bother me. It's the market. I just focus in do my best in my apps.
- I'm 28 years old guy, i opened a professional game development enterprise, we are investing money in sounds, graphics, programs, etc. If we lose sales to a crap app made by a kid, the problem is with our app not market, kids.......
The point is about people making low quality products with little effort and expecting consumers to pay for it. Weather they're a kid or not. People publish paid apps that shouldn't be.
That's inevitable though. I know what you mean however. It worries me to lol. But there's a difference between a low quality product, a solid game and a great solid game.
Dear All, Just thought id chime in! Here is what I have to say:
Insulting towards fellow GS members
Look were all a community here, Jst because you may be pissed off does NOT Mean that its ok to take it out on other members so lets keep it cool here! It hasn't happened yet but this is just a little warning IMO as I can feel it coming! Also saying that @ozboybrian shouldn't be commenting about other peoples "crapps" (Crap-apps) Just because he doesn't have any.... Well That just stupid, First of all he is entitled to free speech, Second off all not having any apps is better then having "Crapps" (As I call them :P )
Pricing
Second of all I would like to address pricing, IMO I do not believe that we should make GS $90 or something if you want to publish, Because that would be blocking out Young people and "Noobs" From learning stuff. Also as @saladstraighshooter has addressed GS is game creation for everyone. Also IMO I would prefer if GS pro pricing was lower or if there was a separate pricing plan to remove the GS splash screen as With that there we get included in other peoples trail of thought as "Crappy Developers" So I would prefer a cheaper way to remove the splash screen without having to pay $500 Forms of payment GS could look at are: - Pay Per feature - Feature Bundles - Divisable bundles Free (Can publish to apple) Express (iAd's & Custom splash screen) Pro (Everything) @saladstraightshooter You can tell me! :P
This is just my two cents... I would just like to outline my main points: Also IMO I would prefer if GS pro pricing was lower or if there was a separate pricing plan to remove the GS splash screen as With that there we get included in other peoples trail of thought as "Crappy Developers" So I would prefer a cheaper way to remove the splash screen without having to pay $500,
Also would just like to point out, In this post a kid-friendly forum has been mentioned, I personally am under 18 and the idea of a child-frinedly Forum disgusts me!, I hope this doesn't go through... Just because they're may be 11 & 12 yr olds on these forums doesn't been that "Teenagers" Should be segregated, I understand that 11 & 12 yr olds post may be bugging people but Im not standing to be segregated into a kiddies Forum Just my two cents, J.Leonard EDIT: @saladstraighshooter I would appreciate if you gave feedback as to wether this segregation between "Youthful" forum users is happening in the update or was this just a rumored idea? Cheers, J.Leonard
@saladstraightshhoter Oh no I wasn't saying that children trolled just was wondering was the segregation forum thing happening, I personally am 15 and wouldn't like an only over 18 forums... @fryingbaconstudios We al know that your the only troll on this forum! :P
tenrdrmerMember, Sous Chef, Senior Sous-ChefPosts: 9,934
@LeonardDeveloper Nobody said he cant comment all he wants. My comment was implying before posting how all the "crapps" have destroyed his chances of success, he should make an effort at success. Im not meaning to trash him or troll this thread. Its just seems to me excuses are being made before a failure has even happened.
@tenrdrmer Oh my bad!, I never meant it that way!, I understand your poit fully and feel the same way!, I was just implying that he should have the right to have free speech regarding other members and they're apps (Regarding other posts not yours) Cheers, LeonardDeveloper
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Scratch itself is phenomenal! and is taught on many University campuses!
Scratch is the engine/language of MIT's online revamp of Google' App Inventor for Android apps/games (which also was a Scratch program)
Stencyl uses Scratch blocks but their GUI isn't as good as Scratch
Scratch doesn't suck … but, as in all programs: some of the users or their end-results do suck!
(like my initial products in Xcode!)
Scratch is closer to standard programing syntax than some other expensive SDKs.
Great learning tool for kids and beginners.
@};- MH
I agree with that, but it isnt much compared to gamesalad. Plus, I dont reallly know what it SCratch is at its best because the top 5 games, well, suck.
If your games were good enough, a few kids throwing out half-made games should not even be in your mindset.
Kids! Make games! Have fun!
QS
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I'm surely annoyed by the half-ass crap thrown at the app store but at the end of the day the only people you can blame for a failure is yourself.
@OzBoyBrian
I think its a bit pre-mature to throw a fit about crap apps on the app store when you don't have one on there yourself. Im not trying to be rude or un-civil, Just honest.
Cheers
Well said QS , i also don't think it hurt any of us that there is junk out there , think about it for a sec , in order for your game to be considered as "good" others games needs to be considered as "junk" , otherwise , if all games were good , how can your game be "gooder"
@Brian , just focus all your energies on your project mate ..
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I would rather put time and effort into something. Just because i'm not throwing an App out every couple weeks doesn't mean i'm not making progress. I've made plenty of games, but i'm after quality results not quick ones.
I think it's one thing to lack introspection, and not gain feedback from others when creating a game, but it really saddens me when I see people just publishing templates, and crap as is to make a quick buck, and without any effort.
This sort of stuff is definitely not limited to GS, and is seen all over the app store. Some games making hundreds a day using horrible tactics to claw their way to the top. It saddens me even more when it's done with kids games, especially with expensive in app purchases.
But I'm afraid that's only the tip of the ice berg, and the least of our worries given other issues that have come up like the app bot services and other unethical means of making money. Ugh, it's just very sad.
- In saying what Kipper said, I submitted a game that wasn't even half done once just to reserve the name and THEY APPROVED IT... I was shocked.
- I'm not saying it's all kids or just kids. But that is the main culprit/group I guess if I had to pick one.
But Kid or not, it's a no go. make games cause love to be creative and original!
Bought or download(free) template > plug in some graphics > publish > done
There's no need to put thoughts and effort into it. Maybe I should publish my App- the app about square. You know the square only can be moved from left to right, or right to left. It's so additive for some retarded people. Then I can put an awesome icon for it, and put some nice awesome screen shots that are not relevant to the game. When people click on my app and look at the screen shots. wow this app looks awesome. but when they play the game its all about square. Those screen shot are just the background. :-))
Just saying XD
I would hate if there was a system that would cause kids not to be able to publish. If they really like what they are doing they might come up with the next greatest app.
They will learn from there own mistakes.
I have more problems with people stealing ideas and graphics.
Lump Apps and My Assets
Apple just needs to be more strict.
Maybe GS should have a review process to (so long as it's done on that day)
for newer members at least.
- Kids making games isn't a problem. Theres no age to be a talent game design.
- Craps apps don't bother me. It's the market. I just focus in do my best in my apps.
- I'm 28 years old guy, i opened a professional game development enterprise, we are investing money in sounds, graphics, programs, etc. If we lose sales to a crap app made by a kid, the problem is with our app not market, kids.......
The point is about people making low quality products with little effort and expecting consumers to pay for it.
Weather they're a kid or not. People publish paid apps that shouldn't be.
Low quality products on the market is good for us. I will be worry when people start to publish a lot of amazing games.
But there's a difference between a low quality product, a solid game and a great solid game.
Just thought id chime in!
Here is what I have to say:
- Insulting towards fellow GS members
Look were all a community here, Jst because you may be pissed off does NOT Mean that its ok to take it out on other members so lets keep it cool here! 
It hasn't happened yet but this is just a little warning IMO as I can feel it coming! 
- Pricing
Second of all I would like to address pricing, IMO I do not believe that we should make GS $90 or something if you want to publish, Because that would be blocking out Young people and "Noobs" From learning stuff. Also as @saladstraighshooter has addressed GS is game creation for everyone. Also IMO I would prefer if GS pro pricing was lower or if there was a separate pricing plan to remove the GS splash screen as With that there we get included in other peoples trail of thought as "Crappy Developers" So I would prefer a cheaper way to remove the splash screen without having to pay $500
This is just my two cents...Also saying that @ozboybrian shouldn't be commenting about other peoples "crapps" (Crap-apps) Just because he doesn't have any.... Well That just stupid, First of all he is entitled to free speech, Second off all not having any apps is better then having "Crapps" (As I call them :P )
Forms of payment GS could look at are:
- Pay Per feature
- Feature Bundles
- Divisable bundles
Free (Can publish to apple)
Express (iAd's & Custom splash screen)
Pro (Everything)
@saladstraightshooter You can tell me! :P
I would just like to outline my main points:
Also IMO I would prefer if GS pro pricing was lower or if there was a separate pricing plan to remove the GS splash screen as With that there we get included in other peoples trail of thought as "Crappy Developers" So I would prefer a cheaper way to remove the splash screen without having to pay $500,
Cheers,
J.Leonard
You're Welcome
Just my two cents,
J.Leonard
EDIT: @saladstraighshooter I would appreciate if you gave feedback as to wether this segregation between "Youthful" forum users is happening in the update or was this just a rumored idea?
Cheers,
J.Leonard
Guru Video Channel | Lost Oasis Games | FRYING BACON STUDIOS
Oh no I wasn't saying that children trolled just was wondering was the segregation forum thing happening, I personally am 15 and wouldn't like an only over 18 forums...
@fryingbaconstudios We al know that your the only troll on this forum! :P
Oh my bad!, I never meant it that way!, I understand your poit fully and feel the same way!, I was just implying that he should have the right to have free speech regarding other members and they're apps (Regarding other posts not yours)
Cheers,
LeonardDeveloper