@JGary321 lol. You can have your words back. Sorry if they're not in their previous condition. I may have jumbled a few of the letters up, and yeah, they might be a bit soggy.
Some of you seem to want a guarantee from the GS team that everything will be okay forever and I am afraid that they cannot give. It is Apple who seem to move the goal posts and that is out of the GS teams control. all they can do is respond to that move. I feel confident that we are all okay and should in the future there be a change that stops our apps being published by apple that the GS team will endeavour to find a solution.
I dont want a statement from GS that everything will be just fine, I just want to know that they are indeed having a dialog with Apple and what the dialog is about. Run Rev is a strange little product based on Hypercard, an old Apple product. I contacted a few old Apple friends and they did the txt version of shrugging shoulders. Idunno was about as close as I got to an answer. So with the Funkmiester and the rest of you good folks, I will just sit and wait, not happy with that but the only real contact any of us has is each other and I guess collectively we don't know squat.
@vegasmike1. Please say that's your dog. He/she's gorgeous. Never really an animal lover till we got a puppy a few months back (a westie). Now i'm as soppy as smiling baby elephant, holding a daisy, wearing a bonnet, with long eye lashes, on a pink cloud, called schmaltzy, covered in sop.
That little guy is YOGI. He is an amazing little puppy. 5 years ago, the doctor told me he had a massive growth in his little head. He was not supposed to survive the operation. But he did, it was one of those experimental operations. He is doing ok, getting older but then who is not doing that. Dead people I guess. Anyhow he is my right hand guy. And even with his surgery and the removal of some nasty stuff in his head, he is still smarter than me. But today I finished my first complete game with GS. Day or two it gets posted to the app approval process so I will have first hand knowledge of GS and Apple. I will report back what happens. I have two apps that were written in xcode, not by me. Hope I dont have to learn that mess, I have made great progress with GS and hope that it continues. I have 9 games on the books being worked on by artists so it could be crazy around here when they all hit. I have some of the best art people in the world and they are getting into GS in full force. Our first two games were total busts, but you live, and you learn, sometimes. As for dogs, well they are the best people I know. They dont want too much, always happy to see you and do the best they can to make you happy. When I get the game approved (hope hope hope) I will send you a promo code so you can give me your input. Take care Mike
mrfunkleberry said: @vegasmike1. Please say that's your dog. He/she's gorgeous. Never really an animal lover till we got a puppy a few months back (a westie). Now i'm as soppy as smiling baby elephant, holding a daisy, wearing a bonnet, with long eye lashes, on a pink cloud, called schmaltzy, covered in sop.
About Rev and animation: It's not an animation tool, though you can add on animation libraries that would let it animate very well. Same for 3D. But just for interest, if you do make some things animate around the place, and then build that for iPhone and view it in the simulator, it actually performs better than in Rev itself.
When you view your app on an iPad or iPhone the performance isn't as good, but it's still usable, like if you needed some basic graph animations, it would be ok.
Mainly Rev is a tool for doing non-animating applications. Those could well be games, but are more often likely to be utilities, and some of what might have been made for iPhone and iPad would have been useful. Now Rev developers will just create things for Android instead.
About GS and the agreement: I can see that it would be possible for the GS server to take in all of your media and attributes, and plug those in as settings into the project that gets compiled into the app you're given. If it does work that way, then the complete workflow is compliant. There's no interpretive layer, all the code is Objective-C, and there's no runtime or precompiled alternate language (as would be the case with Rev, Flash, Unity, Corona, etc).
One way to think of it is to look at Interface Builder. That's a tool for creating settings files for Xcode to then compile. GS could well be essentially like that.
@Colin regarding "GS could well be essentially like that."
I agree it could or it couldn't. And I think that is a small but important tid-bit of knowledge that the GS dev could share to make us feel better about putting our eggs in his basket.
If it is not, then I can see them wanting to keep it hush...but it is not like Apple wouldn't be able to figure out what it is doing and put a stop to it if it indeed is more on the interpretive side.
I also don't think stating "yeah, we are custom and/or Lua intepretive" or "no, we compile to completely compliant applications" is revealing any trade secrets.
I am (sorta) guessing it is more on the non-compliant side and they are just trying to run under the radar until they are either a) called out by Apple or b) able to make it compliant or more compliant. "a" is more likely to occur given the effort of "b" by a small dev staff.
The only saving grace for GS is it is *only* for Apple products so Apple is getting their money anyway. I think if GS does try to expand their horizon onto Windows (for dev environment) and/or Andriod (for app release environement), then GS will be a bigger blip on Apple's radar.
Basically, we are low man on a totem pole and in this case it is good (for now).
Right rebump, that's what I was trying to say. If GS concentrates on being great at making Apple apps, and does not dilute the source by trying to spread out to other hardware (thereby making a more generic code framework) and keeps improving the way it creates apps on apple gear so that there is no liklyhood of hardware degradation they will be the remora to the apple shark.
This does not mean there won't be crappy apps from a logical standpoint, there will always be those who release before it is fully done. Ultimately they will not survive the marketplace whether they are GS'ed of XCoded anyway. But as long as GS makes apps that follow the rules and are apple hardware friendly, they will probably be allowed to play.
If I were interested in developing for Droid or W7 (I am not) I would look for a native design tool. GS is a natively designed Apple tool. So maybe we are okay.
Dont think that your excluded, the fact is that GS, is in fact at this moment, violating the terms, of the new developer agreement, period, end of sentence, we looked at runrev but found that they were mostly all talk and no action, so we ended up going with Xcode as it is the only one that really complies, (as apple intended and as in the end unless a legal challenge is successful)
GS will also be banned, that is just the simple truth, unless apple, changes its wording then that is just the way it is.
reelstuff said: Dont think that your excluded, the fact is that GS, is in fact at this moment, violating the terms, of the new developer agreement, period, end of sentence, we looked at runrev but found that they were mostly all talk and no action, so we ended up going with Xcode as it is the only one that really complies, (as apple intended and as in the end unless a legal challenge is successful)
GS will also be banned, that is just the simple truth, unless apple, changes its wording then that is just the way it is.
I am really far too new here to have much say. Having said that I will throw my two bits in.. I am working on some games with gamesalad and will continue to work on them regardless of what happens. In addition to learning gamesalad I am taking on the joyful task of learning xcode. It is really the only way to make a worry free app for Apple. Its their rules and I doubt they will change them for any of us. Otherwise, might as well make apps for other systems and forget about apple. Thanks for hearing me out.
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Thanks GS team you are doing a great job.
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I dont want a statement from GS that everything will be just fine, I just want to know that they are indeed having a dialog with Apple and what the dialog is about. Run Rev is a strange little product based on Hypercard, an old Apple product. I contacted a few old Apple friends and they did the txt version of shrugging shoulders. Idunno was about as close as I got to an answer. So with the Funkmiester and the rest of you good folks, I will just sit and wait, not happy with that but the only real contact any of us has is each other and I guess collectively we don't know squat.
So off looking for squat.
That little guy is YOGI. He is an amazing little puppy. 5 years ago, the doctor told me he had a massive growth in his little head. He was not supposed to survive the operation. But he did, it was one of those experimental operations. He is doing ok, getting older but then who is not doing that. Dead people I guess. Anyhow he is my right hand guy. And even with his surgery and the removal of some nasty stuff in his head, he is still smarter than me. But today I finished my first complete game with GS. Day or two it gets posted to the app approval process so I will have first hand knowledge of GS and Apple. I will report back what happens. I have two apps that were written in xcode, not by me. Hope I dont have to learn that mess, I have made great progress with GS and hope that it continues. I have 9 games on the books being worked on by artists so it could be crazy around here when they all hit. I have some of the best art people in the world and they are getting into GS in full force. Our first two games were total busts, but you live, and you learn, sometimes.
As for dogs, well they are the best people I know. They dont want too much, always happy to see you and do the best they can to make you happy.
When I get the game approved (hope hope hope) I will send you a promo code so you can give me your input.
Take care
Mike
Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
Web: https://quantumsheep.itch.io
When you view your app on an iPad or iPhone the performance isn't as good, but it's still usable, like if you needed some basic graph animations, it would be ok.
Mainly Rev is a tool for doing non-animating applications. Those could well be games, but are more often likely to be utilities, and some of what might have been made for iPhone and iPad would have been useful. Now Rev developers will just create things for Android instead.
About GS and the agreement: I can see that it would be possible for the GS server to take in all of your media and attributes, and plug those in as settings into the project that gets compiled into the app you're given. If it does work that way, then the complete workflow is compliant. There's no interpretive layer, all the code is Objective-C, and there's no runtime or precompiled alternate language (as would be the case with Rev, Flash, Unity, Corona, etc).
One way to think of it is to look at Interface Builder. That's a tool for creating settings files for Xcode to then compile. GS could well be essentially like that.
I agree it could or it couldn't. And I think that is a small but important tid-bit of knowledge that the GS dev could share to make us feel better about putting our eggs in his basket.
If it is not, then I can see them wanting to keep it hush...but it is not like Apple wouldn't be able to figure out what it is doing and put a stop to it if it indeed is more on the interpretive side.
I also don't think stating "yeah, we are custom and/or Lua intepretive" or "no, we compile to completely compliant applications" is revealing any trade secrets.
I am (sorta) guessing it is more on the non-compliant side and they are just trying to run under the radar until they are either a) called out by Apple or b) able to make it compliant or more compliant. "a" is more likely to occur given the effort of "b" by a small dev staff.
The only saving grace for GS is it is *only* for Apple products so Apple is getting their money anyway. I think if GS does try to expand their horizon onto Windows (for dev environment) and/or Andriod (for app release environement), then GS will be a bigger blip on Apple's radar.
Basically, we are low man on a totem pole and in this case it is good (for now).
This does not mean there won't be crappy apps from a logical standpoint, there will always be those who release before it is fully done. Ultimately they will not survive the marketplace whether they are GS'ed of XCoded anyway. But as long as GS makes apps that follow the rules and are apple hardware friendly, they will probably be allowed to play.
If I were interested in developing for Droid or W7 (I am not) I would look for a native design tool. GS is a natively designed Apple tool. So maybe we are okay.
GS will also be banned, that is just the simple truth, unless apple, changes its wording then that is just the way it is.
Dr. Sam Beckett never returned home...
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Quantum_Sheep
Web: https://quantumsheep.itch.io
I am working on some games with gamesalad and will continue to work on them regardless of what happens. In addition to learning gamesalad I am taking on the joyful task of learning xcode.
It is really the only way to make a worry free app for Apple.
Its their rules and I doubt they will change them for any of us. Otherwise, might as well make apps for other systems and forget about apple. Thanks for hearing me out.