dgackeyAustin, TXInactive, PRO, Chef EmeritusPosts: 699
@Approw said:
So what is the planning in short for gamesalad from this point? More money means more programmers, more programmers means faster bug fixes and getting new features faster?
In the short term this means: Graphene is on hold and GS is the core focus of the company. Anything that doesn't serve that master gets put on the back burner. Most of the things we're focusing on are already visible now as they've been in the works for a couple of weeks:
You may have noticed the focus on stability/hardening lately, with builds coming much faster, crashes in the tool much less frequent, and folks saying they don't ever remember the product being so responsive? More of that.
Or the new tutorials site that you now get directed to when you first start up the tool.
Or the new direct-access customer service channel that's on almost every page on GS.com now. (Intercom, our customer success tool).
tl:dr; product stability improvements, focus on helping new users learn how to make games, better customer service
Dan Magaha · COO · GameSalad, Inc · danm@gamesalad.com
So whatever you say is just your opinion, but whatever I say I am putting it into your mouth, just because I start with a conversational so and use rhetorical questions?
I understand exactly what a straw man argument is and the tone of what you wrote was implying I see access to an SDK equivalent to access to water, why would you even bring up such a nonsensical statement? You are conveniently ignoring the context of what you said.
@Socks@pHghost ..ok..time out... can you both just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think both your points were made early in the thread, and now your just winding each other up for the sake of it... and its not progressing or helping the discussion
@pHghost said:
So whatever you say is just your opinion, but whatever I say I am putting it into your mouth. . . .
Not at all, where someone attributes an argument to another person - and the attributed argument is something the other person has not said - then that would be a straw man argument.
So me saying "If these people don't get access to an SDK they are unlikely to die" - is not a straw man argument, because it is not a misrepresentation of anything you've said nor it is not being attributed to you.
@pHghost said:
just because I start with a conversational so and use rhetorical questions?
Expressions like 'according to you' are plainly not rhetorical.
@pHghost said:
I understand exactly what a straw man argument is and the tone of what you wrote was implying I see access to an SDK equivalent to access to water, why would you even bring up such a nonsensical statement? You are conveniently ignoring the context of what you said.
The context is the discussion of pricing of an SDK - that's what I was talking about prior to your personal insults and admonishments, you then dragged this into a whole array of issues to do with the vulnerable of this world through a series of silly straw man arguments about how compassion isn't a point of importance for me, and how I choose to ignore the fact that there is an imbalance in the world and how I am ignorant and privileged, how I feel because something isn't a matter of life and death, it shouldn't be considered, how I feel the efforts by tech companies and charities to get internet and computers to the poorest are misguided . . . and so on . . . all stupid ideas . . . all coming from inside your own head . . . none of them expressed by me . . . and none of them in keeping with the context of the broader discussion (pricing of an SDK) . . . so if anyone is ignoring context here it's clearly you.
@Chunkypixels said:
Socks pHghost ..ok..time out... can you both just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think both your points were made early in the thread, and now your just winding each other up for the sake of it... and its not progressing or helping the discussion
I'm responding to his comments (a version of 'he started it sir' ), if he wants to start shaming and insulting people for imagined crimes against the vulnerable then it's not unreasonable to expect people to respond.
@Socks ..go on... be the bigger man... just let it go... let him have his opinion and you have yours... after all, just think of the children...
(disclaimer: pHghost could also be the bigger man too.. and not respond to Socks. Im in no way saying that either is a bigger man than the other. I have and wish to have no knowledge of how big either of them are.)
@Chunkypixels said:
Socks ..go on... be the bigger man... just let it go... let him have his opinion and you have yours... after all, just think of the children...
Didn't you even read my comments about the new GS pricing scheme, it plainly shows I lack compassion, especially compassion for vulnerable children
If pHghost makes a comment about me that I think is unjust, misleading or otherwise wrong I am most probably going to respond ! That's just how I am, the little man, I don't honestly see how someone gets to rubbish other people and not have the target of their contempt at least respond.
@Socks said:
Expressions like 'according to you' are plainly not rhetorical.
Why are you ignoring the question mark that was at the end of that statement? It's not putting anything in your mouth, it's a question you didn't answer (as with most of the other questions I asked), instead trying to disparage it by calling it a straw argument.
In the opening post I only reflected on what you directly said.
@Socks said:
2 weeks of free use + a month at $19 is pocket money territory, I expect any kid genuinely passionate about getting into game design will find a way to scrape together $4 or $5 a week.
I pointed out that you are making an assumption there from a privileged position. Please explain what was so unjust in that first post, or what words did I place in your mouth that made you react so strongly.
I didn't say anything about children in Africa, that's something you brought up in your next post, and introduced that slightly ridiculous twist. The truth is, you don't need to be a child dying of thirst in Africa for this money to be out of your reach. Although I live in the UK (as you do, so trust me, I know the privileged position I talk of), I originally come from Eastern Europe and can easily compare the conditions here and there. And yes, I consider myself privileged, just because I can be here and have the opportunities living in the UK gives you.
I don't know about you guys, but the free to play, free to use our software bubble bust a while back. GS is not the only one changing their model, it's also effecting commercial apps that have been 'tolerant' providing free services that they SHOULD have been charging for all along.
The only flow they are going against is your own. It's their stream and you are swimming in it. Welcome to the realm of software, multimedia and game development!
@pHghost said:
Why are you ignoring the question mark that was at the end of that statement? It's not putting anything in your mouth, it's a question you didn't answer (as with most of the other questions I asked) . . .
It's a question I didn't answer about a comment I didn't make.
@pHghost said:
instead trying to disparage it by calling it a straw argument.
Of course it was clearly a straw man argument, by definition.
@pHghost said:
I pointed out that you are making an assumption there from a privileged position. Please explain what was so unjust in that first post, or what words did I place in your mouth that made you react so strongly.
The only person who has self-described as privileged is yourself, if I were you I'd avoid telling other people, whose lives you know nothing about, what their lives are like.
In your first post you call me (or as you argue people - in general - taking my stance) as 'privileged', 'unabashed' in my 'self-righteousness', ignorant and so on, you don't stop there you attempt to heap shame on others ('shame on you') with your finger-wagging 'you know who you are' - you seem to want to be able to dish this stuff out but are puzzled and hurt, apparently feeling belittled when someone responds to these silly insults and admonishments.
There's an irony in assuming to know someone's position in life (on little to no evidence) presuming it's a position of privilege . . . and then accusing that person of making assumptions from the privileged position you have assumed they are in.
lol
@pHghost said:
I didn't say anything about children in Africa, that's something you brought up in your next post, and introduced that slightly ridiculous twist.
Again, completely wrong, why not quote where I bring up this 'slightly ridiculous twist' of mine ?
Or maybe it was you who brought this up . . . oh look ! . . . a quote with you bringing this up from page 1 . . . .
pHghost said: "You simply choose to ignore the fact that there is an imbalance in the world. All it can take is two computers in a classroom in Africa and a free to use bundle software (be it SDK or anything else) and it can change the course of someone's life"
. . . . hmmmmm, no sign of it being in response to something I'd brought up, and no previous mention in any post prior to you bringing it up . . . . seems like you've just described your own point about children in Africa as a 'slightly ridiculous twist' - and like a lot of the other stuff you've said in this thread, you are conjuring it all up in your own mind and - for whatever reason - attributing to me.
@pHghost said:
The truth is, you don't need to be a child dying of thirst in Africa for this money to be out of your reach. Although I live in the UK (as you do, so trust me, I know the privileged position I talk of), I originally come from Eastern Europe and can easily compare the conditions here and there. And yes, I consider myself privileged, even though I work two part-time jobs for six days a week to make ends meet, just because I can be here and have the opportunities living in the UK gives you.
What's your point, are you saying the new pricing scheme is, in your opinion, too expensive ?
@RP said:
I don't know about you guys, but the free to play, free to use our software bubble bust a while back. GS is not the only one changing their model, it's also effecting commercial apps that have been 'tolerant' providing free services that they SHOULD have been charging for all along.
I gave several concrete examples of the opposite. Can you share some who are changing from having a free option to canceling it?
@RP said:
It's their stream and you are swimming in it.
That's absolutely true. Nobody said they haven't the right to make this change. I just mentioned a perspective that wasn't properly represented.
@Socks said:
We are talking about an SDK here, not access to clean water or human rights
Your first post. Page one.
@Socks said:
If these people don't get access to an SDK they are unlikely to die.
Also your first post. Same page.
Putting these together, access to clean water, human rights and unlikeliness to die...that's exactly the ridiculous twist I refer to. OK, so you didn't explicitly mention Africa by name, fair enough, but using these three convoluted arguments points in that kind of direction. All three are common problems in developing countries, especially when contrasted with the West.
@Socks said:
It's a question I didn't answer about a comment I didn't make.
It wasn't a question about a comment you didn't make, just a plain old question. Which part of the question is the comment I implied you made?
@Socks said:
other people, whose lives you know nothing about
I know you live in the UK. I know you have ready and relatively unrestricted access to a computer. I see your usage of English, as well as your impeccable math skills, from which I can deduce quite a bit about the education you received (whether your parents paid for that education or not I don't know and it's none of my business, but the access to this kind of education was readily available). Just because you are hidden (as we all are) behind a username, it doesn't mean I know absolutely nothing about you. And all I mentioned above already puts you in a privileged position compared to many people I know.
@Socks said:
What's your point, are you saying the new pricing scheme is, in your opinion, too expensive?
@pHghost said:
Also, I strongly believe in free education, which is closely connected to the argument I was making.
Free education is nice, but one must also think about who is paying the bill that lets others have that free education. How long can the people paying the bills for others sustain it before they too suffer? Gamesalad creator can not fall under a category of absolute necessity (like food and water example brought up). Also gamesalad is not a huge company with a huge bank account.
@pHghost said:
I know you live in the UK. I know you have ready and relatively unrestricted access to a computer. I see your usage of English, as well as your impeccable math skills, from which I can deduce quite a bit about the education you received (whether your parents paid for that education or not I don't know and it's none of my business, but the access to this kind of education was readily available).
You really are having trouble teasing apart your own confirmation bias from the real world. You are literally clueless about my life, you're dream up a narrative for my life so you can win some idiotic argument that you've also dreamt up in your head (and applied to me).
"I can deduce quite a bit about the education you received"
Go for it Mr MindReader tell me all about 'the education [I] received', after all you know 'quite a bit' about it ?
Tell me about these parents of mine who could afford private education for me, I'm genuinely curious, it's shame my father died when I was three from stomach cancer - but don't let that stop your idiotic conformation bias - nor that fact that my mother has never been able to work a day in her adult life for medical reasons . . . I'd tell you what they are but I'm sure you already know.
So, tell me what you know about my education ?
@pHghost said:
Just because you are hidden (as we all are) behind a username, it doesn't mean I know absolutely nothing about you. And all I mentioned above already puts you in a privileged position compared to many people I know.
WTF ! Lol, you criticise someone for assuming something (even though they didn't) then go on to assume (literally nothing more than assume with no evidence) some 'facts' about someone and then claim these assumptions you've made mean that person is in a privileged position !?
Well, I think it's time for a noob to say something. I recognise some of you guys up there socks, Jamie, Guru.. thanks to all of you for your free advice and tutorials.
As a serious noob, I'll be paying for the privilege to access this GS thing. I only hope that they don't get greedy and that they invest some of this new money in ENABLING CUSTOM FONTS.. that's what I want at the moment.
I do think though that free to use, no publishing/pay to publish should be the way to go. Surely they can make that work. 15 days is not enough time for peeps who actually have full time jobs/lives to try and get a good idea of whether it's worth punishing themselves with something like GS. I'm lucky that I had a couple of months to self punish before that little timer appeared with the latest update.
@Lovejoy said:
Free education is nice, but one must also think about who is paying the bill that lets others have that free education.
As stated in the beginning, it is a matter of converting new users (those getting the education), into paying customers. The reason many countries around the world have free education is precisely because they are investing into themselves; educated people become skilled workers who help support the economy. The same way, opening up your software so people can learn to use it well for free (while making sure they cannot use it commercially), can in the long term lead to a larger number of paying customers who like your software. That conversion can be complicated, true, and it has now been more thoroughly explained by GS why they are not going that direction.
@pHghost said:
OK, so you didn't explicitly mention Africa by name, fair enough, but using these three convoluted arguments points in that kind of direction.
Yep, again, something originated in your head and was attributed to me.
@pHghost said:
All three are common problems in developing countries, especially when contrasted with the West.
Remember what we are talking about, the pricing structure of an SDK, why are you telling me about common problems in developing countries when contrasted with the West ?
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Well, this thread started out with a valid original post, but it has now gone gone off subject and things seem to be getting heated. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread gets closed.
@pHghost said:
As stated in the beginning, it is a matter of converting new users (those getting the education), into paying customers. The reason many countries around the world have free education is precisely because they are investing into themselves; educated people become skilled workers who help support the economy.
Most countries are in huge debt too, freebies and handouts don't quite help it. Also GS can not be compared to a country, where it has other expenses and things to worry about.
The same way, opening up your software so people can learn to use it well for free (while making sure they cannot use it commercially), can in the long term lead to a larger number of paying customers who like your software.
Yes it may but as the GS staff pointed out, their numbers don't reflect that outcome.
That conversion can be complicated, true, and it has now been more thoroughly explained by GS why they are not going that direction.
Correct they explained how going the free route did not work out for them. SO that is why this change was made.
@Braydon_SFX said:
Well, this thread started out with a valid original post, but it has now gone gone off subject and things seem to be getting heated. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread gets closed.
But how on earth am I going to find out about my opinions on compassion and tech companies and charities and whether I think they are misguided or not, or about my parents and their secret wealth they hid from me, I'm especially curious to hear about my father as I didn't get to know him at all, and my education, I'd love to hear about that given that pHghost knows 'quite a bit' about it, and I was also unaware that I ignore the fact that there is an imbalance in the world and so many other things he's knows about me that I was entirely unaware of (worse still I held pretty much opposite views until I was educated about my life by pHghost !)
Please don't shut off the crystal ball, I need to know what happens in the end and whether I have any opinions on sport, corporate excess or political cronyism
You know, I'm really about feed up with people that make nothing but excuses or point blame rather than adapting. Maybe that's because I work in an industry were there is no excuse for excuses (you would literally loose your job and everyone would know about your inability). I see folks on here that talk up about how serious they are about development, then we see threads like this. I have to wonder how much productivity time was lost over all this.
It is their Stream and you ARE swimming it in. The creator belongs to GS and it IS theirs, and it is not your position to barter their product, services and terms. WOW! terms of agreement wheeeeeeee!
I'm not going to go out on a quest for you to locate examples, but perhaps if you participated in developer forums outside gamesalad, you would hear this very familiar tune. It's been a topic since last year on many sites and forums (and conferences).
I'm not sure I agree that GS should provide free access to the GS GDK (it opens up a whole can of worms) and most certainly support should not be free. GS is a business not a dreamy eyed-video game development charity.
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In the short term this means: Graphene is on hold and GS is the core focus of the company. Anything that doesn't serve that master gets put on the back burner. Most of the things we're focusing on are already visible now as they've been in the works for a couple of weeks:
You may have noticed the focus on stability/hardening lately, with builds coming much faster, crashes in the tool much less frequent, and folks saying they don't ever remember the product being so responsive? More of that.
Or the new tutorials site that you now get directed to when you first start up the tool.
Or the new direct-access customer service channel that's on almost every page on GS.com now. (Intercom, our customer success tool).
tl:dr; product stability improvements, focus on helping new users learn how to make games, better customer service
Dan Magaha · COO · GameSalad, Inc · danm@gamesalad.com
So whatever you say is just your opinion, but whatever I say I am putting it into your mouth, just because I start with a conversational so and use rhetorical questions?
I understand exactly what a straw man argument is and the tone of what you wrote was implying I see access to an SDK equivalent to access to water, why would you even bring up such a nonsensical statement? You are conveniently ignoring the context of what you said.
@Socks @pHghost ..ok..time out... can you both just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I think both your points were made early in the thread, and now your just winding each other up for the sake of it... and its not progressing or helping the discussion
@Socks @pHghost
How about that cheap desk??
Not at all, where someone attributes an argument to another person - and the attributed argument is something the other person has not said - then that would be a straw man argument.
So me saying "If these people don't get access to an SDK they are unlikely to die" - is not a straw man argument, because it is not a misrepresentation of anything you've said nor it is not being attributed to you.
Expressions like 'according to you' are plainly not rhetorical.
The context is the discussion of pricing of an SDK - that's what I was talking about prior to your personal insults and admonishments, you then dragged this into a whole array of issues to do with the vulnerable of this world through a series of silly straw man arguments about how compassion isn't a point of importance for me, and how I choose to ignore the fact that there is an imbalance in the world and how I am ignorant and privileged, how I feel because something isn't a matter of life and death, it shouldn't be considered, how I feel the efforts by tech companies and charities to get internet and computers to the poorest are misguided . . . and so on . . . all stupid ideas . . . all coming from inside your own head . . . none of them expressed by me . . . and none of them in keeping with the context of the broader discussion (pricing of an SDK) . . . so if anyone is ignoring context here it's clearly you.
I'm responding to his comments (a version of 'he started it sir'
), if he wants to start shaming and insulting people for imagined crimes against the vulnerable then it's not unreasonable to expect people to respond.
@Socks ..go on... be the bigger man... just let it go... let him have his opinion and you have yours... after all, just think of the children...
(disclaimer: pHghost could also be the bigger man too.. and not respond to Socks. Im in no way saying that either is a bigger man than the other. I have and wish to have no knowledge of how big either of them are.)
Didn't you even read my comments about the new GS pricing scheme, it plainly shows I lack compassion, especially compassion for vulnerable children
If pHghost makes a comment about me that I think is unjust, misleading or otherwise wrong I am most probably going to respond ! That's just how I am, the little man, I don't honestly see how someone gets to rubbish other people and not have the target of their contempt at least respond.
Why are you ignoring the question mark that was at the end of that statement? It's not putting anything in your mouth, it's a question you didn't answer (as with most of the other questions I asked), instead trying to disparage it by calling it a straw argument.
In the opening post I only reflected on what you directly said.
I pointed out that you are making an assumption there from a privileged position. Please explain what was so unjust in that first post, or what words did I place in your mouth that made you react so strongly.
I didn't say anything about children in Africa, that's something you brought up in your next post, and introduced that slightly ridiculous twist. The truth is, you don't need to be a child dying of thirst in Africa for this money to be out of your reach. Although I live in the UK (as you do, so trust me, I know the privileged position I talk of), I originally come from Eastern Europe and can easily compare the conditions here and there. And yes, I consider myself privileged, just because I can be here and have the opportunities living in the UK gives you.
I don't know about you guys, but the free to play, free to use our software bubble bust a while back. GS is not the only one changing their model, it's also effecting commercial apps that have been 'tolerant' providing free services that they SHOULD have been charging for all along.
The only flow they are going against is your own. It's their stream and you are swimming in it. Welcome to the realm of software, multimedia and game development!
It's a question I didn't answer about a comment I didn't make.
Of course it was clearly a straw man argument, by definition.
The only person who has self-described as privileged is yourself, if I were you I'd avoid telling other people, whose lives you know nothing about, what their lives are like.
In your first post you call me (or as you argue people - in general - taking my stance) as 'privileged', 'unabashed' in my 'self-righteousness', ignorant and so on, you don't stop there you attempt to heap shame on others ('shame on you') with your finger-wagging 'you know who you are' - you seem to want to be able to dish this stuff out but are puzzled and hurt, apparently feeling belittled when someone responds to these silly insults and admonishments.
There's an irony in assuming to know someone's position in life (on little to no evidence) presuming it's a position of privilege . . . and then accusing that person of making assumptions from the privileged position you have assumed they are in.
lol
Again, completely wrong, why not quote where I bring up this 'slightly ridiculous twist' of mine ?
Or maybe it was you who brought this up . . . oh look ! . . . a quote with you bringing this up from page 1 . . . .
pHghost said: "You simply choose to ignore the fact that there is an imbalance in the world. All it can take is two computers in a classroom in Africa and a free to use bundle software (be it SDK or anything else) and it can change the course of someone's life"
. . . . hmmmmm, no sign of it being in response to something I'd brought up, and no previous mention in any post prior to you bringing it up . . . . seems like you've just described your own point about children in Africa as a 'slightly ridiculous twist' - and like a lot of the other stuff you've said in this thread, you are conjuring it all up in your own mind and - for whatever reason - attributing to me.
What's your point, are you saying the new pricing scheme is, in your opinion, too expensive ?
I gave several concrete examples of the opposite. Can you share some who are changing from having a free option to canceling it?
That's absolutely true. Nobody said they haven't the right to make this change. I just mentioned a perspective that wasn't properly represented.
GS changed their model , people are fighting , chill
Your first post. Page one.
Also your first post. Same page.
Putting these together, access to clean water, human rights and unlikeliness to die...that's exactly the ridiculous twist I refer to. OK, so you didn't explicitly mention Africa by name, fair enough, but using these three convoluted arguments points in that kind of direction. All three are common problems in developing countries, especially when contrasted with the West.
It wasn't a question about a comment you didn't make, just a plain old question. Which part of the question is the comment I implied you made?
I know you live in the UK. I know you have ready and relatively unrestricted access to a computer. I see your usage of English, as well as your impeccable math skills, from which I can deduce quite a bit about the education you received (whether your parents paid for that education or not I don't know and it's none of my business, but the access to this kind of education was readily available). Just because you are hidden (as we all are) behind a username, it doesn't mean I know absolutely nothing about you. And all I mentioned above already puts you in a privileged position compared to many people I know.
For some people I know, yes. For me, no.
Also, I strongly believe in free education, which is closely connected to the argument I was making.
Free education is nice, but one must also think about who is paying the bill that lets others have that free education. How long can the people paying the bills for others sustain it before they too suffer? Gamesalad creator can not fall under a category of absolute necessity (like food and water example brought up). Also gamesalad is not a huge company with a huge bank account.
Fortuna Infortuna Forti Una
You really are having trouble teasing apart your own confirmation bias from the real world. You are literally clueless about my life, you're dream up a narrative for my life so you can win some idiotic argument that you've also dreamt up in your head (and applied to me).
"I can deduce quite a bit about the education you received"
Go for it Mr MindReader
tell me all about 'the education [I] received', after all you know 'quite a bit' about it ?
Tell me about these parents of mine who could afford private education for me, I'm genuinely curious, it's shame my father died when I was three from stomach cancer - but don't let that stop your idiotic conformation bias - nor that fact that my mother has never been able to work a day in her adult life for medical reasons . . . I'd tell you what they are but I'm sure you already know.
So, tell me what you know about my education ?
WTF ! Lol, you criticise someone for assuming something (even though they didn't) then go on to assume (literally nothing more than assume with no evidence) some 'facts' about someone and then claim these assumptions you've made mean that person is in a privileged position !?
Well, I think it's time for a noob to say something. I recognise some of you guys up there socks, Jamie, Guru.. thanks to all of you for your free advice and tutorials.
As a serious noob, I'll be paying for the privilege to access this GS thing. I only hope that they don't get greedy and that they invest some of this new money in ENABLING CUSTOM FONTS.. that's what I want at the moment.
I do think though that free to use, no publishing/pay to publish should be the way to go. Surely they can make that work. 15 days is not enough time for peeps who actually have full time jobs/lives to try and get a good idea of whether it's worth punishing themselves with something like GS. I'm lucky that I had a couple of months to self punish before that little timer appeared with the latest update.
As stated in the beginning, it is a matter of converting new users (those getting the education), into paying customers. The reason many countries around the world have free education is precisely because they are investing into themselves; educated people become skilled workers who help support the economy. The same way, opening up your software so people can learn to use it well for free (while making sure they cannot use it commercially), can in the long term lead to a larger number of paying customers who like your software. That conversion can be complicated, true, and it has now been more thoroughly explained by GS why they are not going that direction.
Yep, again, something originated in your head and was attributed to me.
Remember what we are talking about, the pricing structure of an SDK, why are you telling me about common problems in developing countries when contrasted with the West ?
Well, this thread started out with a valid original post, but it has now gone gone off subject and things seem to be getting heated. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread gets closed.
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Most countries are in huge debt too, freebies and handouts don't quite help it. Also GS can not be compared to a country, where it has other expenses and things to worry about.
Yes it may but as the GS staff pointed out, their numbers don't reflect that outcome.
Correct they explained how going the free route did not work out for them. SO that is why this change was made.
Fortuna Infortuna Forti Una
But how on earth am I going to find out about my opinions on compassion and tech companies and charities and whether I think they are misguided or not, or about my parents and their secret wealth they hid from me, I'm especially curious to hear about my father as I didn't get to know him at all, and my education, I'd love to hear about that given that pHghost knows 'quite a bit' about it, and I was also unaware that I ignore the fact that there is an imbalance in the world and so many other things he's knows about me that I was entirely unaware of (worse still I held pretty much opposite views until I was educated about my life by pHghost !)
Please don't shut off the crystal ball, I need to know what happens in the end and whether I have any opinions on sport, corporate excess or political cronyism
Nobody is doubting that anymore.
It doesn't seem like that point has been understood, otherwise we wouldn't see posts about how gamesalad should be free.
Fortuna Infortuna Forti Una
You know, I'm really about feed up with people that make nothing but excuses or point blame rather than adapting. Maybe that's because I work in an industry were there is no excuse for excuses (you would literally loose your job and everyone would know about your inability). I see folks on here that talk up about how serious they are about development, then we see threads like this. I have to wonder how much productivity time was lost over all this.
It is their Stream and you ARE swimming it in. The creator belongs to GS and it IS theirs, and it is not your position to barter their product, services and terms. WOW! terms of agreement wheeeeeeee!
I'm not going to go out on a quest for you to locate examples, but perhaps if you participated in developer forums outside gamesalad, you would hear this very familiar tune. It's been a topic since last year on many sites and forums (and conferences).
I'm not sure I agree that GS should provide free access to the GS GDK (it opens up a whole can of worms) and most certainly support should not be free. GS is a business not a dreamy eyed-video game development charity.
Where did I say that? I said the exact opposite, that I cannot know that.
That you had access to a decent education.
I didn't dream anything up. I'm mostly clueless, yes. But some things can be understood through context, which were the only things I mentioned.
This seems to be the part that some probably don't understand.
Fortuna Infortuna Forti Una
Wrong, like I said, clueless, but why wouldn't that be the case, you've not bothered to ask me, you've just made stuff up in your head.
Honesty pHghost, just **** off, you are obviously just trolling now, go find someone else to judge. I'm outta here ! Thread/Rage Quit.